There are two distinct tribes in India: the one that went to IIT, and the one that did not. If you are wondering, how to tell them apart, I have good news: you do not have to. They would tell you before you can finish your hello. At times all you need is a glance at them, and they are too eager to blurt out, “I am from IIT, and my name is Raju.” And in case you missed the introduction, not to worry. They would repeat the information like the stock ticker: I love Star Wars…I first saw it in IIT…my wife does not get it…she is not from IIT…one day we will have kids…I will send them to IIT…the same IIT I went to…did I tell you I am from IIT?…
The other distinguishing characteristic of this tribe: they are insufferable. So you want to avoid direct interaction such as talking. But as luck would have it, they are easy to spot from far as well – this is the recommended approach. Their tribal songs are everywhere: their license plates, their T-shirts, their coffee mug, their email signature, poster on their bedroom at home and cubicle at work. They are the only ones that put pictures of IIT moments on their desk instead of family photos. I am told while on travel, domestic or international, they would put IIT on their luggage tags. The warnings are everywhere.
The first thing you should notice is that there are two “I”s in IIT, and that is no coincidence. People from IIT have the most inflated egos. Like most primitive tribes, IITs have elaborate initiation rituals called ragging: it is a mixture of juvenile antics and grotesque vulgarity that are presented in the form of degrading and dangerous rituals. IITs claim to be the cradle of greatest minds and free thinkers, and yet its inhabitants adhere to these ridiculous rituals with religious zeal. Despite their inflated ago, and may be because of it, they fail to see the irony, and are extremely proud of it. They swell with pride when they tell about the golden days of glorious ragging to their grandkids.
They are also proud of the tribal name the fellow members gave them; the proper names used by rest of the lesser mortal are too complicated for them to remember. Like a tree dwelling primates in long captivity, they would get into frenzy and holler these names when they locate a fellow member in the wildness outside IIT. Once the eye contacts are established, they would launch into the rite of reciting the glorious days of IIT, no matter how old they are or what the social settings are. They would talk about their favorite hostels, roadside eatery, and all the nauseating details that no one but their fellow tribe members find interesting.
To non tribe members, the first thing they love to talk about is AIR (all India rank), and they are full of it. For IIT students, entrance to IIT is the pinnacle of success, the crowning achievement, and they never stop crowing about it. It is saddening to see balding middle aged IIT students clinging to their AIR past midlife crisis. By the way, IIT students do not graduate: they just pass out. They leave the precious IIT as soon as their oversize ego gets big enough to block blood circulation to their head. They live with that condition for the rest of their lives. They love to say “once an IITan, always an IITan.” I am afraid so: they get out of IIT, they get old, but they never grow out of it to be a grown up.
IIT students have three genders: male, effeminate male, and masculine female. All of them shy away from normal human contact, and feel out of place in a social situation. If normal social situation is crippling for IIT students then girls are their kryptonite. Any girl would do, they do not have to be pretty. This is the only time they cannot form a sentence: they stammer, they stutter, they slobber, they suffocate, but cannot utter a sound – not even to announce that they are from IIT.
If you can live with their arrogance which is annoying; even their ignorance which is irritating; the arrogant display of their ignorance would infuriate you. Here is a banner proudly displayed by IIT students: “Everyone is welcome to IITs…Only throvgh merit.” If that was true, then how did you guys get in? Missing the primary spelling classes must be a prerequisite for IIT entrance. Don’t you think of all English phrases, the phrase “only through merit” deserves to be free of spelling error?
I have seen IIT student proudly wear T-shirts with logos that is baffling. One T-shirt reads: “Former IIT college student. Current Yahoo! Big thinker.” Really? Where is this “IIT college” located? What did you think the middle “I” in IIT stands for? Which big thinker came up with that slogan? In my life, I meet a few MIT students, but never an MIT college student. But then MIT does not claim to be the bastion of big thinkers.
The incubators of great Indian intellectuals and scientific minds are scattered with inspiring words of wisdom. A sign in one of the campus reads “Don’t throw Pooja offering in the lake.” Do I need to remind you that the “T” in IIT stands for technology? I bet Pooja is the cornerstone of scientific principle. The principles of experimentation, observation, and deductive logic are just the western propaganda. I get it, the creation of scientific super geniuses need a hefty dose of superstition. And you need a sign to tell these super geniuses not to dump garbage in a lake.
Indians are proud of their IIT and its inhabitants. In the hierarchy of desirable grooms, IIT students rank third – slightly behind NRI, which is behind the breed of exotic hybrid of IIT graduate who is also an NRI. There are rumors that when someone gets admitted to IIT from a locality the real estate value goes up. I was told this was due to the rarity of the species given a nation of billion. Given the omnipresence of the species, I doubt that is the case. The admiration is deep rooted in the inherent inferiority complex of Indian psyche that equates intelligence with an entrance exam and confines education within the boundary of an institution. Though IIT students have no impact or influence outside IIT, the admiration continues unabated.
Do not get me wrong: IITs have done a great job of producing export quality engineering labors. IITs have continued the Indian tradition of generating migrant workers: mine labors during British rule, farm workers after independence, and now the skilled labors for high-tech industry. In defense of the IIT system, some claim that in this new brave world inflated ego is the soma of these deltas: given the life long tedious mind numbing work they are trained to do, it is only humane to inflate their ego that blocks the blood flow to the brain and dulls the pain. But, considering the second hand suffering the rest of us have to go through was it worth it?
So what is the future of this tribe? Originally, there were five IITs. Each of them claims to be better than the rest. Recently, a few more are added to the pantheon, and there is talk about even more. This caused a furor amongst the tribe: quality not quantity, they said. This is the only time I agree with them. They should stop expanding this hollowed franchise: the world does not need more of these insufferable IIT graduates.
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This is one of the saddest, most ill-informed articles I have ever read on the IITs. Take some common nerd qualities, make a vichyssoise of it, publish it on the net and use the IIT tag for publicity. This is not even funny.
Started well enough. But as you go on, it seems more like an article by someone who wants to satisfy his jealousy. People trying to mention they are from IIT is correct.
How many IITians have the writer seen who cannot talk to girls, might be there are less number of girls in IIT, but that doesnot mean they cannot talk to girls outside.
For information, not just from IIT, good number of people go abroad to study and work from all over the country and the number among IITs are declining every year.
“and IITians have no impact outside” – surely some IITian has f’d u in the A and this is the way u try to take out ur anger.
oh ! what kind of drivel gets published at desipundit these days!
It will be interesting to see how IITians deal with the dilution of the IIT brand. They never truly accepted Guwahati as a true IIT but Roorkee seems to have passed muster.
On the other hand segmentation is not new, it runs deep within the ethos. Kids on the SC/ST and the erstwhile DASA/NRI quota were always considered second-class IITians. Your “stream” is almost an alias for your AIR albeit with tragic exceptions, e.g. “He could have picked Aero but went for Metallurgy, what a shame”.
Not sure how the new ones announced in this year’s budget will shake out.
this is truly funny !
actually the tribalism boils down to the hostel bloc — you were a h8er …. i was in h6 …. and then the antecedents of everyone who lived in the two hostel blocs….
it sometimes reminds me of two grandmothers who meet and discuss what happened to their clan 🙂
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as long as you are not serious about it…
all is fair in good humor…
i thought kuch propah comment likhoon but then it will all be yada yada blah blah yak yak yak, so well in short that post could have been proper funny but it seemed more like malicious tripe
This is a real good one, jaded_mind!
I particularly like the picture composition! I find it absolutely absurd to use car license plates with ‘IIT- city’ inscribed on it. They like the attention, especially in the US where most people have never heard of the IITs. Ironical.
When Scott Adams had brought out his series on Asoka (pronounced “Ah-SHOOK”) from IIT as one of Dilbert characters, he said, “I thought it would be a funny contrast to have Asok come from the most competitive school system in the world only to find out that intelligence doesn’t always help in the workplace.”
Undoubtedly ‘Brand IIT’ is popular.However, I feel that the very reason behind creation of IITs has been defeated. The objective was to train scientists and engineers, with the aim of developing a skilled workforce to support the economic and social development of India after independence in 1947. Instead, USA benefited from subsidized education in IITs at the cost of Indian taxpayers’ money.
Brain drain will not stop, but subsidies can. And the money can be used for better projects in India.
Keep up the good writing. I enjoy your blog a lot.
If this was supposed to be funny, then I am sorry but you have failed miserably and it was a whine and nothing more.
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Please learn to spell properly. Before you make fun of ‘throvgh’, please learn that a person who _graduates_ from an IIT is an ‘IITian’ and not an ‘IITan’ as you have written. 🙂
This post is perfectly enjoyable as long as it is written in good humour. I hope it is not the case of sour grapes.
Cheers.
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I reached this post via DesiPundit.
I’m surprised by the extent of IIT bashing/speaking the truth-whichever way one looks at it.
With respect to professional education, all graduates from premium institutes wear their love for their alma mater on their sleeve-IITs (engg), IIMs (b schools), AIIMS (medicine) etc. In fact, in USA people keep harping about their sororities and fraternities, not just the college they graduated from.
I do believe that institutes of excellence should strive for quality and not quantity and we don’t need any more of them. The problem lies in the poor quality for middle level institutes and vocational training institutes.
If intelligent students who’re professionally successful have a chip on their shoulder, so what??? Successful people from most fields (entertainment, sports, media, medicine etc)-all keep talking about their achievements.
About masculine females-you’re just magnifying the stereotype that girls who do well academically/are in engg are masculine or not pretty or that beauty*brains=constant. Thats utter nonsense.
W.r.t poor social skills: Indians litter, spit, urinate, defaecate in public; expect dowry; rarely use words like please/thank you/excuse me (or the vernacular equivalent)-they simply push and shove.
Again you are magnifying the stereotype that people who “so called” study a lot, have poor social skills; are unable to interact with people outside their own profession etc. Again, not true.
I really wonder where you studied and what is your day job…
Knowledge is power and a good education has up lifted India’s economy. Think of the kind of jobs middle class grads get after passing out from IIT/IIM and how their entire family is able to move up a social class.
Your post aren’t funny. You just talk of things you can’t accept to appreciate, like the inscrutable India one.
this is perfectly tru! I just love it, I am advocating a 300% rise in the fees for IITs. Fund the institution completely from fees,
coz they dont serve the country, so no tax payers money, or bring in rules like china, where they are made to compulsorily serve once u pass out =)
spat in the face for IITians or ans or whatever….
ppl who say this is whine! are clueless about their demeanors!
not only IIT, although I agree its a very gud school, the output has its own standard deviation from the good ones!
Dear insufferable writer,
What started as a piece of humour has turned in to ranting.
It seems you failed in several ( n>2?) attempt to get through JEE and are now jealous.
Most (Possibly all) of what you wrote is pure drivel.
I am an IITian and I do not behave the way you describe IITians behave.
Niether do most of my batchmates with whom I am in constant touch.
So here is a free advise.
Even if you do not belong to the tribe, it is not the end of world for you. Keep trying your hand at writting some thing good about somebody.
He couldn’t even stop mentioning it in his comment.
u poor heartburnt creature, jaded_mind.
cribbing about iit-ians, not even able to articulate your crib in a cognizable way.
calling yourself jaded (=>worn out or wearied, as by overwork or overuse, dissipated, worn-out, broken-down, worthless, or vicious horse. a disreputable or ill-tempered woman … : check dictionary.com) mind.
better go to doctor quack arjun singhjee – another Jaded mind – maybe he can do something for you.
To Divya: I have a feeling that you were not thrilled about the post. Oh no, what am I going to do.
To Prateek: Yes, the division is always there. We will see what happens. But does not Indian always think of other Indian as second class citizen?
To Harini calamur: Thanks. No disagreement about the clan thing. The only difference is that the when grandma does it she is so charming.
To Supersonic: Thanks for the linking a lame post.
To Raj: I shall never take or talk about IIT or its inhabitants seriously. You can be rest assured.
To Nishant: Point taken. But what is wrong with malice? If bastardization of language is considered sign of literacy, why malice is not magnificent?
To No Name Girl: Privileged brats may not like your comments. Be aware. But thanks.
To Shrey: Sense of humor is subjective. It is all right if you did not get it.
To asianwindow: Thanks for the link. You two are doing a wonderful job. Nice idea for a blog. I like the name too.
To Anon: Since you have a smile face, I would go gentle. “IITan” is not even standard English word, so when it comes to spelling we do have to use common sense. You will see IITan is more appropriate than IITians.
• If you take it as its full form then technology ends with y: residence of Italy becomes Italian not Italyian – y changes to i, you do not add ian, just an.
• If you take the sound of the abbreviation, T ends in “e” sound. Now say it loud and show me what the “i” is doing there. Unless, of course two I’s were not enough for you and you just wanted another one.
Do you have to know intension of the writer to enjoy it? As for sour grapes, I love them: they make great jam. Also, try sour cherry.
But to be honest, personally I do not care about spelling at all. Even a machine can correct them, at least if one uses Standard English. Typos do happen, not big deal.
To frmad: Thanks for the info. We shall check it out.
To Neeti: Thank you for the detailed comment. It is a matter of perspective, and your last sentence is telling: it is all about moving up the social class. I guess that is saddening. I wish it was about education and contribution to society. But I understand your point.
To Suresh: I gather you do not find the post funny. I get it. Not sure about the other comment. What is wrong in talking about things that are irritating?
To VJ: Be careful, there is always an IIT graduate who is ready to get offended. Thanks.
To Prashant Srivastava: You may be right, I am jealous. I cannot be clever enough to write (n>2?), I still write (more than two?). You may improve your interaction outside your clan if you learn to language and mathematics – yes that wrong use of variable. If you do not get it, let me know. I shall explain high school algebra to you.
I can understand why IITians (correct?) have been pained. But then jaded_mind did warn us about the expected reaction, didn’t he?!!
Well, I feel there is nothing wrong with being in love with your alma mater. All of us are. But there is definitely some weirdness attached to IIT culture/ lifestyle.Even graduates from Stanford/ MIT, etc do not carry license plates with school-city on it.All the observations made are so true, and we see it everyday! Congratulations, jaded_mind! Bravo!
However, on a serious note, given the high standards of IIT education alumni, IITians have not done justice to all the money India spends on them only to see them migrate to US and work to promote US economy. Perhaps Indian Government should bind all IIT students in a contract to work for at least 5 years in India before they can migrate to US or elsewhere.
Well, about the humor in the post. As Indians don’t we know that all things in the limelight have to bear the love-hate relationship with rest of us! So all IITians (correct?) out there- just suck it up with a smile!
I would suggest enjoy the post as is. And all the IITians out there- this is your chance to come up with a take on us now!
To d: Thank you for the advice. I went to dictionary.com, here is what I found under the ward crib:
crib /krɪb/ noun, verb, cribbed, crib·bing.
–noun
1. a child’s bed with enclosed sides.
2. a stall or pen for cattle.
3. a rack or manger for fodder, as in a stable or barn.
4. a bin for storing grain, salt, etc.
5. Informal.
a. a translation, list of correct answers, or other illicit aid used by students while reciting, taking exams, or the like; pony.
b. plagiarism.
c. a petty theft.
6. a room, closet, etc., in a factory or the like, in which tools are kept and issued to workers.
7. a shallow, separate section of a bathing area, reserved for small children.
8. any confined space.
9. Slang. a house, shop, etc., frequented by thieves or regarded by thieves as a likely place for burglarizing.
10. Building Trades, Civil Engineering. any of various cellular frameworks of logs, squared timbers, or steel or concrete objects of similar form assembled in layers at right angles, often filled with earth and stones and used in the construction of foundations, dams, retaining walls, etc.
11. a barrier projecting part of the way into a river and then upward, acting to reduce the flow of water and as a storage place for logs being floated downstream.
12. a lining for a well or other shaft.
13. Slang. one’s home; pad.
14. Cribbage. a set of cards made up by equal contributions from each player’s hand, and belonging to the dealer.
15. a cheap, ill-kept brothel.
16. a wicker basket.
17. British, Australian. lunch, esp. a cold lunch carried from home to work and eaten by a laborer on the job; snack.
–verb (used with object)
18. Informal. to pilfer or steal, esp. to plagiarize (another’s writings or ideas).
19. to confine in or as if in a crib.
20. to provide with a crib or cribs.
21. to line with timber or planking.
–verb (used without object)
22. Informal.
a. to use a crib in examinations, homework, translating, etc.
b. to steal; plagiarize.
23. (of a horse) to practice cribbing.
[Origin: bef. 1000; ME cribbe, OE crib(b); c. D krib, G Krippe; cf. crèche]
Could you tell me, which meaning you had in mind when you use it two times.
rotfl. i was waiting for some real backlash, since this was on DP, but looks like iitians (my fellow iitians: there we go) have matured after all ;-), apart from some whose egos feed on their sense-of-humor.
i remember long back someone writing a critical article on sulekha, and she was virtually hounded off the site. i wasn’t proud of that as an iitian (there we go again)
some of your observations are just too funny and on the dot. i cannot but chuckle, even as an ex-iitian (there we go once again, although there is no such thing as ex-iitian, as you rightly say) but “masculine females?”. surely you know a gender called non-males? no? tch.. tch…
u’re a riot. only criticism i have is, you dragged it too much. if you wanted to be serious, you dragged the first half too long. if you wanted to kid, you dragged the second half too long. if you wanted to do both, well, it’s a fine art to master.
cheers,
asuph
To asup: Thanks for the comments. As for dragging, no argument. I can only invoke Pascal: my friend, if only I had more time…
This link is for you
http://sr-itbhu.blogspot.com/2008/03/sour-grapes.html
To Shashank Tyagi: Thank you for the link, but sorry I do not have time to read it. I hope you had fun writing it.
Thanks for the free publicity. Just when I think we need to start doing some real work to keep the fire of hype that burns may I say, throughout the country, burning, somebody from outside come along and contributes a large mass of fuel to it, and the smoke rises high, and it catches people’s attention, and they come from near and far, and spend quite some time and passion thinking about us. We, meanwhile, feeling very light now, rise to the very highest fumes, and lie relaxed on our backs there, our hands crossed behind our head, breathing fresh air from the top, while everyone below is working hard to keep the fire hot and the smoke dense enough. We are happy, because we are reminded once again, that till the fuel for the hype is coming from outside, we can afford to relax and enjoy the finer stuff of life.
You have dehumanized us quite a bit in this post, but you still recognize us as being a separate category, and in fact a quite extraordinary one. We are aware that we aren’t considered superior outside, nor do we want to be, but as long as we’re getting all this attention and dedicated posts without even trying hard, we are sure we’re still kickin’ it.
Pal, no offence but can’t you right something positive and still make it sound funny. coz like most of the people you only have sarcasm to work for you. Be different. I hope you aren’t such in your real life. Think positive. Criticism isn’t a bad thing but it’s not always asked.
Come write something good. Would be waiting.
“…considering the second hand suffering the rest of us have to go through…”
So, it’s a whine after all, isn’t it?
Tell me any college student who doesn’t cherish his/her college days? More so, when in a group/reunion.
FANTASTIC!
I am from IIT, and cannot help but congratulate you on making such apt observations about us.
Your writing is a fine blend of humor and sarcasm, and must say you have hit the point – dude, its a bull’s eye.
It was funny…like a lot of things on News Channels these day where they take things out of context and talk incoherently. I am not a big fan of the way English is written. I do not know if the V in throvgh was intentional but here is some thing to look at (see Page 5)
Click to access dialects.pdf
and also since you mentioned MIT in your post just do a google search with
MASSACHVSETTS INSTITVTE OF TECHNOLOGY
and you will be surprised.
PKP
Hi,
I agree with the general idea of IITians being obsessed with their alma mater, their AIR and stuff. But some things I don’t agree with:
1) That old classmates getting nostalgic when they meet and discussing old times is bad. Also, the details they discuss are obviously boring to an outsider, but come on: you’re talking about old friends meeting after a long time!
2) If you have ever heard of the nicknames IIT Madras students give each other AND if you have been able to understand them, you wouldn’t whine about it.
3) You’re actually missing the point and crossing over to “whining mode” when you’re talking about the spelling on some banner, the caption on T-shirts and stuff. Yeah, I agree IITians act like they’re perfect intellectual beings and all, but they never claim to spell every word perfectly. Besides, about the “IIT college student”: here the word “college” is not intended as a part of the name of the institute, but as part of the description of the position the person held there: “college student”. It’s like “IIT prof.”, “IIT grad student”, “IIT research scholar”, and similarly “IIT college student”. Get it?
4) What’s that crap about technology and pooja? Do you mean to say the spirit of technological advancement has any connection with faith and pooja? And when you say pooja offerings are garbage, you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s not a matter of superstition. It’s faith and culture. Has nothing to do with technology.
This blog is laudable for writing down what I’ve witnessed about IIT-attitude all my life.
I have observed – other than study in IIT, migrate to US with some ‘regular’ job, and have Reunion partys year after year, there is nothing else that one hears about IITs these days.
I know people who are in their sixties and still endlessly rant about their days in the IIT. Come on- when will you grow up, man? Do they even realize how pathetic they sound at times?
I am surprised at some of the comments from IIT people- they are not able to take even a small dose of slight criticism. And we suffer their ‘clearing one exam- JEE’ all our lives.
Keep up the good work! You made my day.
An awesome post. Love it.
WTF do IITians do to India. They(we) just get into IITs without even knowing what they are going to perceive!
I’m an IITian and I know about people who do that shit (boasting brand name). Living with that tag.
Hilarious read! One of the best posts I have read in the last few weeks.
In defence of IIT spelling skills, “throvgh” is actually correct, but only if capitalized. In the Latinized script, V and U are the same. It is the same reason that Mount Vesuvius is actually pronounced “Usuvius” in Latin (which, by the way, had only capitalized alphabets). So I give those blokes full marks for effort, but low marks for result.
But one must remember that V and U are only the same when the letter is capitalized. Not otherwise. Interestingly, the facade of MIT reads “Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology” (in capitals, of course!)
But yes, this article is tripe.
Among all the sour-grapes bullshit that u were belching out, i found this starkingly stinky. The signboard regarding pooja offerings, I suppose is from IITB, cos we do have a few of them around the Powai Lake that borders the campus. Do you have any idea how an IIT campus looks like ? Do u know that it a large township in itself that houses students, faculty, non-academic staff, and other temporary support staff. This sign is meant for non-academic staff qaurters located in the so called lake side region of IITB campus. With the level of immaturity that you possess, I am sure you dint guess that throwing offerings in to the lake can pollute it and hence the need to notify the residents.
Among all the sour-grapes bullshit that u were belching out, i found this starkingly stinky. The signboard regarding pooja offerings, I suppose is from IITB, cos we do have a few of them around the Powai Lake that borders the campus. Do you have any idea how an IIT campus looks like ? Do u know that it a large township in itself that houses students, faculty, non-academic staff, and other temporary support staff. This sign is meant for non-academic staff qaurters located in the so called lake side region of IITB campus. With the level of immaturity that you possess, I am sure you dint guess that throwing offerings in to the lake can pollute it and hence the need to notify the residents.
heh heh! my gawd! awesome reaction chain your blog-flog has generated! congratulations, jaded-mind.
iit-ians should learn ways of cheap publicity – instead of introducing themselves as IIT-ians as you claim they do, they should rather just put up ludicrous hate-mail like this on blogs around. much cheaper (really cheap!) way to be the centrepoint of attraction amongst masses!
by the way, i have yet to meet an iit-ian who mentions his alma-mater out of context let alone in the beginning of an introduction, and i have met over a thousand iit-ians till now. i be ashamed of being an IITian when iit-ians have to attract attention with an “i am an iit-ian” in the beginning of an intro. just where did you dream up about IIT-ian luggage tags and all that junk?
you yourself seem to beat iit-ians at what you primarily claim in your blog that they possess – high-handedness. look at the “i don’t have time …” responses you have posted in response to various comments to your blog.
you checked dictionary.com for the meaning of “cribbing” – and as expected of a iit-ian hater, missed the key point – the one meaning “: a vice of horses characterized by gnawing (as at a manger) while slobbering and salivating” which led to the current slang for whining.
i and all those blog-responders have fallen victim to being drawn in this cheap street brawl you started. may the almightly forgive our sin. i now go for penance.
I am unable to understand why people cannot take a joke as a joke. I think that is where we differ from rest of the world- we cannot laugh at ourselves and our own absurdities.
I cannot help but notice that all the people complaining on this post are the ‘IITians’ themselves. Sour grapes, umhh! Undoubtedly, the ‘double II’ ego has been punctured. If we can bear with their inflated ego, we can also bear with their punctured ego.
After all it is not the first time somebody is making fun of IITs. People who are not even aware of the history or traditions of IIT, even they cannot help but notice these points.
Lets take the writing in the stride it is meant to be and keep it at that.One can always read and interpret the way one wants to.
Good job, jaded_mind. I enjoyed the post thoroughly.
To All: So it turns out the tribe has two distinct subgroups: one that still can have a chuckle and those who cannot. It is amusing to observe that those who associate merit with a single exam, also think a single spelling error questions their collective intelligence. Those that equates greatness with an exam even lack the ability to imagine what greatness is. I am not sure how many exams Ramanujan, Tagore, or Jamstji Tata had ever passed. Given that I am talking to students of IIT, I do not want to go outside these simple examples. To paraphrase a philosopher: A obsession with a foolish exam is the hobgoblin of little minds.
And do not forget, engineering by definition is mediocre science at best. Try to come up with a name of a great engineer and you will see how far short it falls from a great mind. And yes, you can go outside IIT system. Thank you.
Well well well…. This is the first time I am seeing an outburst of full frustration and malignity towards the best brains in India… Don’t u worry dude It happens all the time and with many… people are not ready to accept the brand IIT and the success they get… You know what… Indians take pride when Bush says to American youth…” beware Indians are coming” but you know what?? This prestige is all because of IITs… the technopreneurial ventures have been the most successful in Silicon valley…. nd most of them are from IITs… you know something that all the top universities in the world MIT, Caltech, Harvard, Wharton or whatever have finally realized that Indian breed is actually a powerhouse of intellectual thots and sheer brain… Credit goes to IITians… U r cravin here coz u think that IITians discuss all that Tech father and family stuff… u know somethin these days are unforgettable for me as well… while other students remain at there home and attend college as day boarders… we IITians ( where Hostels are compulsory ) burn ourselves in those hostels and we share a bond with each other which is much stronger than nythin else… we r the guyz who live together, cry together, learn together, slip together, rise together…. nd the list continues…. Its easy to crib and blame others… what appears an ego to u … is just the brand IIT building phenomenon… everybody publicizes its brand… nd we too have the freedom to do so… After all the present era is of good marketin… u have wrapped ur grievances in a really well knit wordnet… nd i liked that… but u need a deeper insight in the IIT system … what u r talkin about is just the surface observation… Dive a bit nd u will know its depth…
@jaded’s last comment: well people will only chuckle when its meant to be funny. not when someones whining. and btw i am chuckling at your frustation 🙂 .
and yeah i had a nice time writing it…wasnt getting anything else to write since long. and it would be good for you if you read it. atleast you wont write senseless posts again.
dont point out any spelling or grammer mistakes to me cause i concede my english is poor…
sorry for double post forgot one point…
ramanujan was a mathematician.
tagore and tata were more of a leader..people with vision….never an engineer
i dont know whether you got an opportunity to visit an engineering college or not but in IIT’s as in other colleges only technical stuff is taught. they dont and cant make leaders.
as for getting involved in mathematical concepts is concerned, maths hons from university is a better option for that. waise there is course called mathematics and computation which is somewhat similar to maths hons.
now please done say next that why no good artist or doctor comes from iit. they are only involved in engineering.
and yes you can go outside iit system.
but those who are inside the system have already proved their worth and can do away with such useless criticism of yours…
please dso go through the link: http://sr-itbhu.blogspot.com/2008/03/sour-grapes.html
you need it 🙂
zxc
To Aditya above:
Certainly what’s mentioned in the post is not ‘surface observation’. There are serious issues, that need to be tackled.
And where do you want others to ‘dive deep and see the depth’?
About your ‘living together’, ‘crying together’, ‘friendship bonds’?
Are you(we, the IITians, or IITans) the only people in India who live together? cry together? and etc. Certainly not. These things are not worth mentioning here, because we’re not the only people to do them.
Moreover, Bush warns the American youth about incoming Indians. Don’t you think that is a surface observation? You never know what’s in their minds. Maybe you’re falling an easy prey to their false adulation, just as when they recognise that these incoming Indians are serving them, and not developing their own infrastructure. So, boasting of such a reputation isn’t the first thing that must be done.
I seriously think that working towards the development of your own country, and giving it back what it has been giving you for 4 years of B.Tech would be more rewarding, and we’ll win the praise of the entire nation, not just one Bush.
I am an IITian (or IITan, whatever you may call it), and I hope the post is absorbed by all IITians (or IITans) positively.
Ciao !
You are frustrated !!!! poor chap,
grow up, be a man accept the competition given by the IITians…
and please don’t knock around with this shitty nonsense
Give us a BREAK!!!!!!!!
^ Amit
Whom are you addressing?
waz addressing to all those who are baffled by the success of the iitians….
they are ignorant coz they don’t know of how much importance we guys are to them and for the society(m not exaggerating)
and for all this we are and we will be arrogant coz thts the way we are and if you are jaundiced coz of this we can’t help.
and if you really have brains and balls why don’t you show those physically rather inking out shit and frusto towards us.
This is true for IIM students too……… write one for them too…. Enjoyed reading it
My former boss (an ex-IITian 🙂 once said: “They never make films about engineers. They make films about lawyers, doctors, politicians, businesspeople, actors, singers, teachers, scientists, mad scientists, farmers, beggars, boot polishers, clerks, police, even thieves and murderers. But never about engineers. And if they do make one, it is always about a civil engineer who goes to a village to build a dam.” Guess they just don’t get engineers. (When I was in IIT :), we used to have a Tshirt that said “Love an Engineer”. Should have added a ‘please’. “Please always helps” said Phineas Nigellus.
leliye bhae tumne IITians ki..great
How amusing :-).
Sad to see the condition of the top 2% brain of the Indian youth. If they think this way, and fail to realise their negatives, surely there’s no scope of improvement.
They ask us to become a man, and compete with them (IITians).
The competition stays between IITians and non-IITians, especially when it should be between India and rest of the world.
Even I am an IITian. But I never think so, coz I am fortunate to be among those few who are able to realise the drawbacks of a system from within.
I really feel pity on the youth mentality today, and they say we are gonna become the super-power of the world. Shit !
They boast of economy and GDP, but none’s there to think of social and political condition. They claim to be brainos, but ask how many of them would like to contribute to the R&D of India. They would teach at Stanford, Princeton, and work at MSR, and claim to make a big name of India. But no one would DO ANYTHING for India. Sadly, they end up being nothing more than mental slaves.
‘They’ : Used for all those IITians who refute the above post, calling it crap & shit.
I am also an IITian, and I’ve seen all this happen. Agree to it or not, but that’s the story of many (not all) IITians. With such a scenario, it’s no wonder that the country’s fate is bound to doom.
Sorry, had to be harsh.
@maverick
what positivities do you see in the post. please do point them out.
second being in iit does not mean that you are perfect in every aspect. you may be among few ones who are not only good in studies but also keep an interest in affairs of the country and really want to do something for it. its good if you are one of them. but that does not give you a right to look others with disgust.
and why do you believe that country’s fate depends only upon the iitans???
and what does doing anything for india means..especially in engineering? what other field is open except for defence.
i concede that being in iit is everything but also feel that this post is just personal frustation and targetting someone
who are somewhat famous. famous is not the exact word but due to my limited vocab i can get the exact word.
and lastly i dont believe researching at princeton or stanford is in any way bad cause its better to live above your country…there is whole human race..
@ Maverick
Man blv me … u r frustrated… u r frustrated with the system around u… u r frustrated with IIT system… coz its too harsh and competitive…
Well when I say togetherness I mean that we don’t have our mom dad here with us to talk to in despair… we dont have them when we are happy… so these are our frndz which forms an integral part of our life… Don’t u take it personal… If u r n IITian then u will surely miss ur frndz once u r outta ur college… nd if u don’t, I pity u… coz u r not able to make gud frndz…. frndz for lifetime… nd blv me
..nd man don’t talk of brain drain… y r u guyz rumbling so much on this… put ur hand on ur holy book nd swear given the opportunity won’t u go away abroad and make a gud career… well if u say no … great chap u r …coz u r a true patriot…
One more thing… its not about goin outside only… u need to have the right perspective… Once people go out…nd get successful… they bring in money to the country… y do the state govts organize this “Pravasi Bhartiya Sammelan” nd get crores and arabs of Rs for development… Numerous examples are there… ” Its easy to say that Money doesn’t matters… but u need to have a lot of it to say that”… don’t u think that we can serve our country in a much better fashion if we have resources, money, exposure to the latest techno trends etc… why are u gettin so sentimental…
Are the so said political leaders doin there job… they get huge salaries… Tax payers are investin so much in them… y is there so hue nd cry over brain drain… ppl r cmin bk to serve their country… tell me what do u want …. u want us to go on Anshan Satyagraha… I mean its as gud as is … stay in India get a hand to mouth job… and keep fightin system… ??/ If this is ur way of servin country man we have serious opinion differences… nd I never like the idea of inflictin my opinion on others… u hav ur own ways nd opinion nd u hav every rite to differ… I can tell u smthin… Man! Take a chill pill 😀
Well I have a small question for u JADED… take it in the most possible humorous way… u defined two types of people … one is IITian and the other to be Non IITian… ( correct me if I m wrong)… then u desvribe all the typical traits of an IITian… and then I presume that all the good traits like humbleness, non snobbish behavior etc in the other fraternity….
Where will u put this maverick guy :D…. I mean actually he is an IITian but the problem is that he reckons that he doesn’t show the typical IITian traits… 😀
Plz enlighten us….
Nd I really liked the way amit took it…
( Nd just to tell u again Jaded… u wrote a gud post … nd blogs are really meant for personal outburst… its just perfect… u r a good writer… keep up the gud wrk… consider me a regular visitor of ur blog fromn now onwards./…)
To Shashank: It’s sad that you still cant see the positives. The realisation IS ultimately gonna dawn upon you, sadly when it will be too late.
To Aditya: You’ve been repeatedly using ‘ure frustated’, and I am starting to hate it. So please, refrain.
To Aditya, Shashank
It’s not that I am week in acads and inclined towards social issues. Fortunately, I am in CSE, and branch rank 3rd. It’s not that I am frustrated, it’s just that the pros and cons are visible to me, and am able to decide in accordance with them. I DONT believe that the country’s fate depends ONLY upon the IITians, but certainly they form an important part and have an important role to play and a responsibility to fulfil, being the top brain of the nation. There is enough proof in the post that keeps it far from any kind of personal frustation and all. Yes indeed researching at Stan of Prince isn’t bad. They’re top notch instt. But researching there, and not participating in the R&D, education of your own nation(which provided you means to climb to the level of Stan n all) is certainly not good either.
I am not frustrated coz the IIT system is hard and competitive(being an IITian, I have myself qualified it). But because after qualifying, guys fail to realise their responsibilities which they are supposed to.
I dont want to talk of get-togethers and togetherness and nostalgia coz every collegiate feels it and so I dont take away that from him. Even I would feel it. Those bonds and all…true.
“put ur hand on ur holy book nd swear given the opportunity won’t u go away abroad and make a gud career”
The above is where the problem lies!! Everyone is concerned with making a ‘gud career’. Big pays! Robust n flamboyant life! But no one even thinks of staying back or coming back to contribute to the education system/research of the nation.
And please, get your concepts of Brain Drain right. Outflow of the brain is a serious issue, even if it results in an inflow of money, coz money (economy, as already mentioned) is not the only thing required for development. We need a robust political system to exploit the money n resources, which you and I know, we dont have. So it’s better to prevent the brain drain than to allow it attarcted by inflowing money. If brain stays, money n resources can yet be generated, but vice versa is not possible.
“we can serve our country in a much better fashion if we have resources, money, exposure to the latest techno trends”
The above is yet another problem. Yes of course you can serve your country in the aforementioned fashion.But then you’d ONLY EXPOSE the new technology, NOT BUILD any. So, the choice is yours, as I think it is clear enough.
And please dont cite examples of the politicians. They’re the most irresponsible people in whose hands the country is. So they dont deserve to be taken as examples. Moreover, if the politicians are not doing their job, doesnt mean that IITians too shouldnt. I am speaking about IITians here coz the post is about IITians, not politicians.
“tell me what do u want …. u want us to go on Anshan Satyagraha… I mean its as gud as is … stay in India get a hand to mouth job… and keep fightin system… ??”
It’s really difficult to explain here on the net what I want, and what the country is desperately in need of. I just wish you were wise enough to have understood it all by your own.
No offences meant. At last, views are personal. I dont impose my views on anyone, nor do I expect anyone to follow me. I just want everyone to clearly be able to understand what India needs – money? or brain?, resources? or intellectual human as resource?
The choice is yours!!!
Ciao
Dear Jaded Mind,
If the ‘IIT tribe’ is so insufferable, arrogantly ignorant, out of place in social situations, has-done-nothing-for-India etc. etc., can you please only answer some fundamental questions?
Why does the collective wisdom of all those ‘not from IIT’ – which includes the rest of the world – appreciate its brand value so much?
Why does the Indian government want to clone more and more of the ‘IIT tribe’? Why does it not happen with colleges/ institutes (other than IITs, IISc and IIMs)?
Can you tell the percentage of IITians who boast that they are IITians on their license plates, coffee mugs, T-shirts etc., discuss their AIR many years later?
So far as I am concerned, I try not to mention it myself that I am an ex-IITian (except in the CV or job interview), unless prodded leave apart mention of the AIR!!! And so is true with most IITians whom I have met in life, To me it is a past achievement – what matters is what I achieve today and tomorrow and so on.
Many times I was asked the question – what differentiates IITs from other Engg. colleges? My simple answer was IITs conduct a highly competitive entrance test to select their candidates and put them through a system which is based on problem solving approach (rather than theory based approach most engg. colleges seem to adopt) which attempts to make us capable of tackling real life problems. The institutes are autonomous, so the professors can impart the latest knowledge to their students and test them rigorously through continuos evaluation process. That is all that differentiates an IITian from other engineering graduates.
Success needs to be celebrated – the degree of success can vary for each person and so does the celebration. Passing JEE is tough no doubt and the amount of pride an individual takes from it depends only on an one’s maturity and cannot be generalised. And getting out of IIT is not everything – life is a bigger race and being an IITian doesn’t guarantee success in that race.
Someone has already mentioned about the ‘marketing’ of the IIT brand. There is nothing wrong if brand IIT is being marketed – it sells. The fact is acknowledged by the character of Asoka in Dilbert cartoon. It does not mean we should not create more brands and sell them. India has successfully sold the ‘IT Consultant’ brand also to the world (though it is a generic brand – not associated with a particular institution).
As regards the much taked about brain drain – there is a huge reverse brain drain which is hapening today – thanks to better living and work conditions now available in India. I know several IITians who have returned to India for good and many more who are probing the possibility of a return.
And why should we target IITians only for the brain drain? Don’t we know how IT companies are struggling to get experienced Software Consultants and Project Managers to work in India? Educated and qualified people will migrate in the absence of basic social/ employment security and IITians cannot be singled out.
Aditya:
“Where will u put this maverick guy :D…. I mean actually he is an IITian but the problem is that he reckons that he doesn’t show the typical IITian traits”
Too offensive, but too insignificant for me to talk upon. Just as I was about to start replying at this blog, I was about to use my name. But suddenly I used ‘Maverick’. Check out the meaning of this word.
Maverick itself means independent in thoughts and opinion. I dont want to show any typical traits of IITians, as what many might love to. I dont care if the ‘typical IIT traits’ (as you are calling them) are good or bad. I just wanna be myself, carry my own traits. I dont want to belong to either of the groups – IITians and non-IITians. Coz this is one thing on which I dont agree with Jaded. Such a binary division is never possible.
Please unnecessarily don’t argue on this poll coz its meant for outraging people and at the same time the author is enjoying the show sitting in the “Royal Box”……. the poll is biased and so are the comment…
Each one feel and thinks his own way so no point in canvassing over it coz i am sure neither of the side will accept the other side…….
we respect feelings of all….. of course country comes first but career has importance too…
U know smthin guyz I hav started njoin this… This maverick guy is a real social worker yaar… He will turn this country around… Gud great deal dude… start doin smthin coz u hav a long way to go….
U r just a stubborn prat who is not even ready to accept the clear things… Wat u do is pick some shit out of prevs posting nd start ranting… gud for u… nd one more thing… everbody helps…. in some way or other… When Bill Gates donate lotsa money to AIDS foundation he makes it big to headlines… nd when a small man does that by offerin his services … nobody hears that… even if he does serve to the cause… everbody likes his country nd wanna serve it… we dont need some ranting bloggers to remind us of our moral nd social responsibility….. We rembr that… its just that the way of serving nation is different… u cannot go hostile over sm1 by writin repetitive nd long posts nd tht won’t help… it just shows ur “FRUSTRATION” ND “APATHY” towards the system… u might b a nationalist or socialist but rembr my dear ki India is a democracy nd Soviet Russia fell long ago…
I again say… stop growling nd take a chill pill 😀
P.S. who told u to answer tht question… tht was to Jade… chill man
nd now sersly to Abhijit ( Maverick u can skip it)
That’s wat I m tryin to tellin these guyz… I think Jaded have understood that things cannot be generalized on the basis of behavior of some arrogant bullying prats… to abuse the whole human race becoz some people murder nd rape…. now thts not wisdom… i liked ur serene view abhi… 😀
Grapes are sour my friend.. for a person who is not a member of the “tribe”, it must be painful to watch “idiots” of the “tribe”, who cant even spell a word right, bagging salaries a middle class person can only dream of in his life.
And as far as the phrase “once an IITian, always an IITian” goes, you have to be a member of the “tribe” to really appreciate the meaning of it. Otherwise, you are just a little fool babbling meaningless crap.
I did not understand the point of posting this link in the IIT Kharagpur Community in Orkut. Is it cheap publicity that you desire? Or more comments in your stupid post?
Well, if you were intending the latter, then, Congrats! You got one more comment!!
So it boils down to this: IIT is a brand that sells well, and IIT students get more salary then average Indian. Did I miss anything? When graduates of other universities — MIT, CMU, and Stanford to name a few – building global empires and humble about it, IIT students are busy boasting about their above average salary in a country that ranks 118 for per capita income. I thought IITs were founded to pursue knowledge and their motto tend to run along the line of Knowledge is The Supreme Goal. But I guess selling brand is what higher education is all about for IIT students these days.
As for achievement, I am not sure when it comes to engineering IITs have done much: none of the advancement of recent days came from India. Computers, mobile phone, Internet – are any of them from India? What are the great achievements of the IIT students? I mean besides supplies of cheap labor for multinational corporations: either body shopping or outsourcing. And do not confuse between working for one and building one.
It just struck me that the two big names in the world of technology never finished college: one of them never finished high school and the other took a few under graduate classes. The latter recently said to a graduating class: Stay hungry, stay foolish. I bet IIT graduates are too full with their AIR, and too smart to learn anything. And they wonder why people find them insufferable.
Well, your problem stems not from the fact that IITians are smarter or more successful than the average Engineer in India but the fact that you expect an IITian to be this super-human, ascetic person who would have practically no vices; who would spend his life or talent (or the lack thereof) in doing something better for everyone around him/her.
Fact: that is not true. Every IITian is as much of a regular human as you are. Some of them are worse because they are actually in a position to change things for the better but do not take the responsibility. The average IITian, like any other, would brag (if he is successful), will fear defeat and humiliation, will shy out of things he is not particularly good at (btw, social interaction is _not_ one of them; most IITians end up staying in a closed circle of like-minded people, that’s all. They are not shunning _you_, they just don’t care what you _think_).
Bragging is not limited just to IITians. The fact that you are sitting here on a pedestal passing sweeping judgments based on a fairly small (and badly chosen, if I may add) sample space is a testament to that.
Having said that, the article seems like a mish-mash of factoids and tabloids. It is amusing and is surely a funny read but I hope you don’t keep on obsessing over IITians so much. The ones that actually make a difference are the ones you’ll never hear of.
./w
Excellent article, most of it is true. I am from IIT and I must say I have done many of the things that you wrote about in the article. Your article is a wake up call for IIT graduates to grow up and move on. However to be fair to IIT guys, I must say such cocky behaviour from IITians is at least partly explained by the vast mediocrity present throughout the Indian education system.
Aditya: It quite seems to me you have never had a good discussion on any topic, coz of the way you go about shouting your points without listening to others. Anyways, thats your problem, not mine.
Okay! If you dont want to take it, dont. Coz I dont have the energy to keep stating obvious things to stubborn intellectuals. The realisation is ultimately gonna come down on you, some day, although I am not sure if your rational faculty will be capable of comprehending it.
As ./w says: “The ones that actually make a difference are the ones you’ll never hear of.”
I choose to be silent now. And just wish that the blindfold on your eyes be untied ASAP. The day that happens, you’ll be the man India needs.
Goodbye!!
Oh my my… never mind maverick… take any gud reader nd get both our post scrutinize … nybody can tell that who is shouting and who is takin all that lightly ( with smiley signs )…. .. Nd y r u takin it so personal… ” I haven’t had a gud discussion on a topic… Oh my my..” Coz now if i tell u the type of corporate discussions I have attended then u will screw me accusing me of snobbish behavior etc.. I already mentioned that its rather subjective how a person serves his country … It doesn’t require to be ur way ( or even mine)… Wat do u want us to make realize ?? That we don’t serve our country… then my dear friend I already told u …here we have an opinion difference… I hav my own ways… nd u have ur own… People do social service some do for cancer patients some for deprived children.. u can’t accuse the one helpin the cancer patients sayin that u don’t have ny love for children… u don’t care for them… etc.. He has his own reasons nd belief… no religion is better than other for similar reasons…
And as some1 said … we are not superman… we r just guyz next door… we hav our own problems nd we will help our country for sure… But citin smthin like we get good salaries… we don’t pay back the amount the govt invested on us etc etc… To I just wanna make it clear that we are not indebted to the govt for our whole life… we had help nd we will return it in manifolds…. but in our ways… nd once we become establish enuf to extend a helpin hand…. ( You know smthin even the saftey warning they give in flight travels… ” Please wear ur own Oxygen mask b4 helpin others “…
I stop my clearances here… I don’t need some bloggers to ” Jagaao my antaraatma “..
And as for Jaded mind… My dear friend how many IITian do u know… One of the top innovatin companies “Google” has got n IIT grad sittin at one of its top positions… “Vodafone” who is introducin new service provider reforms has got n IIT Kgp alumni as CEO… Similarly “McKinsey”, “citigroup”, “SUN Microsystems”, “Unilever”, “Shell”… Indian ginaata hoon .. “IOCL”,”IFFCO”, “BPCL”, “RIL”… aur bhi hain…
U better go nd do some research b4 pointing finger in such a rude fashion …
I again say… u raised a gud point… nd did justice to it… ur tone was harsh but thts ok…its ur blog….
hey jaded_mind, i’m an iitian (yes that proves your post right), you’ve tried to AND failed to clear the JEE (yes that’s just too obvious from your rants), and you are mad enough at yourself to be writing meaningless crap… (did you notice?my english is not that bad after all!!! pssst, i don’t have a thesaurus beside me). go take a break my friend… and don’t sledge us poor guys… most of us are just about as normal as you are (and also as angry at you as you are)…
(yeah in brackets, i’ve written the things that you may have missed coz you may not know how to read between the lines)… the best part is, i won’t come looking for your reaction! how sad 😦
hey jaded_mind, i’m an iitian (yes that proves your post right), you’ve tried to AND failed to clear the JEE (yes that’s just too obvious from your rants), and you are mad enough at yourself to be writing meaningless crap… (did you notice?my english is not that bad after all!!! pssst, i don’t have a thesaurus beside me). go take a break my friend… and don’t sledge us poor guys… most of us are just about as normal as you are (and also as angry at you as you are)…
(yeah in brackets, i’ve written the things that you may have missed coz you may not know how to read between the lines)… the best part is, i won’t come looking for your reaction! how sad 😦
u ppl a just assholes
Dude what a nice post da but even though i couldnt read through the whole post (was filled with hatred for IITians ) I can understand u it is often difficult to digest ur failure at jee, its oaky we @ iit just look at ppl like u and smile poor pppl cant even make through one easy exam and start making fun of the ppl who could make it through…… though i dont support iitian branding… it is actually nice to see some one to waste so much of their time just to whine at some thing they coulnd get… dude better luck next time .. (seems like u need lots of luck as u dont have any talent)
Dear Jaded Mind….
I could not stop myself from writing a reply.
To qualify an exam (including JEE), to be a Branch Ranker 3 in CSE, etc etc doesn’t mean that someone is very intelligent.
Some of your points are very right. I agree with you (like the classification of genders). I also agree that some iiteans (around 40%) becomes arrogant. But dont you feel that you are in the same league of arrogant people?
If a history scholar says that Einstein’s theory of relativity is a bullshit and wrong, then the entire world will laugh on him/her. Similarly if Einstein says some comment about literature (like Kalidas never wrote a play) then people will again laugh on him. This is because before giving our judgements about something we have to have an experience about that. We have to feel it and understand it.
But you have not. You are just like above history scholar. And that is the difference between you and an IITean.
Try to be more diplomatic and judicious in your posts next time.
(I am not from any IIT. But I have qualified JEE, I studied in ITBHU, have lived in 3 iits for many months and experienced their environment, and currently working in a company in which 98% of the fresh recruits are from iits. Hence perhaps I understand iit better than you.)
Don’t talk about spelling when you cannot spell, you fool. Its …logos that ARE baffling… and labourers.
they posted a link to this article….
on ORKUT IIT COMMunities….
u’ll get more replies like som -ve repls above….. 😀
anywaze i enjoyed this article…..
well written…. n true!!!
keeep up!
@Kapil,
Are you working in Mackinsky? If yes Job lagwao na yaar wahan per.
What started as a funny take on some characteristics of IIT-ians (or, IIT-ans as you would like it to be spelt) turned downright ugly in to IIT-ian bashing without any rhyme or reason. I have seen quite a few IIT-grads and i didn’t find in any of them the characteristics you have said.Some of the things you said are true but you make them sound unnatural and superficial,which they aren’t.
I agree that few of them are always ready to tell you that they graduated from IIT but you make it sound as if all of them are this way. Won’t you be proud of something you have done that opened new avenues for your future and won’t you like other people to know that? If not, you are either too successful to count such things or you haven’t ever done such a thing.
As far as ragging goes, it is everywhere – in almost all the colleges and if you think ragging makes you tribal then there will be very few “civilised” people in the world.
What would you do if you saw one of your college friends on the street someday? Won’t you call out his name, or his nick name if you were that close to him? Won’t you talk to him about your college days (if you enjoyed them,which I seriously doubt)? Won’t you recall all the places you used to go to? If you won’t, I certainly won’t want to be the friend you met and neither would most other people. If you think people talking about their youth and the good time they spent together is rubbish, you’d better read something about human psychology.
As for pooja offerings, what’s wrong in a little theism? Is it compulsory that people following technical education be atheists? Are you SO sure that all famous scientists were atheists or do you want to say that this should be the norm? Moreover, the campus also houses the families of the staff and, as per normal Indian standards, you have to remind people not to throw garbage wherever they want.
Seems the rumour “that when someone gets admitted to IIT from a locality the real estate value goes up” has been spread by some real estate agent hoping to dupe you into buying a piece of land for more than the deserved price. Don’t fall into the trap – I assure you that I haven’t seen any such case in at least a hundred examples. Tell me where you live, because the only place I’ve seen where IIT-ians are omnipresent in an IIT campus.
I sincerely hope you have some good answers because otherwise all your writing boils down to resentment with a funny touch to it.
To All: Thank you for reading the post, and especially taking your time to comment. I really appreciate all the feedback, irrespective of your point of view. You gave me enough material for another post, and this time I do not even have to spend time on Google. To be honest, some of the responses really made me chuckle, even if that was not your intention. So thank you all.
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I firmly support this post.. what he has said is firmly true!
the response from IIT grads..
werew amusing..shows how immature they are …
boast on ur own skills..and then IIT..
i know morons who have come from IIT, best part I have seen them get insulted in front of large audiences coz of their arrogance 🙂
passign JEE does bot make anyone god..lets not even go into how ppl pass those exams..:) every one is good in their own rite..
there are lots of ppl who do not fall in this category..
there is a reason for such an outpour, dont claim IIT blah..blah..coz the reason is IITs were created, funded by common millions of rupees not for morons like u to boast, walk around like this.. contribute to the talent pool of the country.. which is not hapening, do not accuase others of leaving the country, when ur the one eating massive quantities of common mans salary! be aware of that..
i think we shud scrap IITs and leave it to private institutions..its hasnt solved teh purpose of creation!.
not create another caste of IITans. who denegrate every one else, its like the caste problem, which shud be nipped in the bud!
IITans in google, and other institutions? thats the funniest reply! so far..
so what i know ppl from home town engg colleges who have done that..
i beleive they are smarter than u guys, coz they didnt put so much effort as u guys..=)))))))))))
even when somebody died in bihar, some engineer, they were saying he is from IIT and there was a big noise,
what crap, millions die in bihar every day, even durnig death there is preferential treatment for IITs?
what crap..
i have great respect fro ppl who have passed JEE, coz of their perseverence and effort!!
IITans have not produced any more than the avegrage btech guy have done, silicon valley and all are bull shit,
i know ceos from IIT who have commited fraud!..do u want me to list those..
u guys dont get the point, dont push things to a irritating level, it doesnt have to be IIT, any thing will prodice negative results
I have had oppurtunites to interact with IIT students good and mediocre ones, a small few who had attitude and arrogance problems were put down firmly!..:) then they come to senses!
I completely agree with jaded_mind.
He has told the truth of what IITs real are.
Its like a mediocre thing wrapped in a nice gift paper.
I am myself studying in an IIT right now and have cleared the so called tough exam JEE.
In all above posts all those issues which jaded_mind had raised have been discussed except one which I feel the most important one.
The issue is “Ragging.”
Ragging may be having different names (alaises or code words) in different IITs. But still the methods of haressment are the same everywhere.
As being an IITan (or IITian doesn’t matter anyways) we are considered the cream brain of the nation. The people who are invited in IIT calls us the future of country. In schools the teacher always gives example of bright or students who are the cream of the class.
People may deny even the management of IITs would deny that there is NO RAGGING in IIT but it exists.
jaded_mind has used the right terms such as juvenile antics, grotesque vulgarity, degrading and dangerous rituals etc. Many students have a very sick and obnoxious mentallity and taste.
Since we are (considered) best in the country (This is a very subjective statement I personally disagree it!!)
we must set an example for the so called non-IITians to follow. But 9 out 10 times we fail. Many people swell while telling ragging episodes involving them. If they can’t stand against such a small thing, will they stand by their own country ??
I may be wrong but thats what I feel!!
Above someone had said that ceos of vodafone, Mckinsey etc are IITians, but what have they done for the country?
Take Laxmi Mittal (a non IITian ofcourse) who is opening industries in the country.
We say an IITians murder creates a lot of air in the country.
Remember Satyendra Dube (IIT Kanpur Civil Eng grad) murder case. Unlike many IITians he had taken up a government job and sacrificed his life for the country.
What happened to his case the criminals may be still roaming free. Will justice be made? We boast ourselves as strong minded breed but we fail to live up to it !!!!!
In above posts many have termed jaded_mind as a chap who couldn’t clear JEE (remember n>2).
But my guess is he is an IITian, thats why he knows the system inside out.
### jaded_mind please confirm me.
Clearing one exam does not define someones life.
For some people IIT is the end while for some its a new beginning (but they are less in number).
I has just became a job minting machine.You come take a job with heavy package, marry (or live in) with a nice gal enjoy or IIT lingo “chill”. The original objective has been lost.
Finally kudos to jaded_mind for telling the reality.Keep the good posts coming.
I think I have dragged it too much but thats what I feel.
Comments are welcome.
Ok – first of all – the IITs spend very little money on the undergrad students. Most of the money goes into PhD and masters work/equipment. So you shouldnt go on ranting about how an IIT undergrad (who actually is the one making brand IIT famous) owe India their lives and souls.
Secondly, being an IIT student myself, all I can say is that all the branding IITs have got is not the doing of the Indian Govt. or the Indian people – its the achievements of the IIT alumni in various fields abroad (esp US) that has created the so-called brand value. IITs are veyr famous in the US – not so much in Europe etc becuase of the alumni residing in the US. The IITs are a government instituion and function exactly like any other public facility – lots of lazy money hogging administrative staff! They do little for the brand image – its all the work of the students. So, once again stop telling us what we owe all of you.
Third, taking pride in your achievements is a great way to continue achieving. If great explorers, artists, scientists and sportsmen didnt feel pleasure in their achievements, I doubt they would ever work hard enough to reach any of their goals. I need not metnion how many times people are labelled eccentrics because of their inflated sense of achievement – but then again its necessary. A person who wants to remain socially adept and mix-in is a person who NEVER stands-out either. Im sorry to say so, but genius has a hint of eccentricity to it. I dont think we will remember Einstein for his spelling or haircut 🙂
Finally, I think you should realise that the modern capitalistic scoiety works on the principle of branding and inflating your perceived value. Thats how any modern instiution survives. A bit of inflation is expected – be it the IITs or even a sport like cricket. I would really urge you to please present a more balanced point of view and not accentuate only the negatives – Im sure the IITs have done a lot in putting India in a respectable place on the global scenario. Plus, the country has many more problems to worry about – the IITs dont really eat so much money as to prick you the way it seems to have done so.
Oh and btw MIT does say its the bastion of great minds – in case you dont know this, please visit their ‘prospective students’ section at http://mit.edu. The US is the land of branding and inflated egos – but just look at how well it works in a capitalistic market!
LOLZ at the complete article… Nit -picking on small things, you seem to be a granny here. Except that when grannies nit-pick they arent cute. And just what is wrong about asking the residents not to throw pooja offerings in the lake??
As for the bumper sticker thing, I personally havent seen one proclaiming their IIT affiliation, but its more of an indian phenomenon then a particular IIT trait.
You would obviously find the talk of IITian’s boring but give me a break, they are talking with their old pals. And yes there definitely must be something right with the alumni interaction system because we seem to get alumni donations far exceeding the budget of whatever college you went to :P.
As for wearing your IIT afiliation on the sleeve, again its more of a cultural thing in India rather than a particular trait. Please understand that most people who come to IIT come from the “not so privileged class as you” and they have different ethos. You cannot complain if they are not so culturally sophisticated as you. In fact its laughable to accuse IIT’s of elitism because studying here, I would vouch for the fact that most of the ppl here have better rooms here than they would have at home. (IIT rooms are bad btw)
Neways carry out your rantings. But please be better informed next time.
I have nothing to say :-). I just wanted to increase the count. That’s grabbing some attention.
my god…u got guts to publish this!!!
hmm…the only iitian i know…doesnt have an iit t-shirt(except one old one of his hostel), you cant make out from his face that he’s an iitian(!!), he never ever talks about it in front of non iitians and is a sweetheart!!!
so..there are exceptionss…
and neway, i think this post is more suitable for a person out of IIM..and again…for a small percentage.
mazak karta hai be….
If this post was written intentionally to make IITians to be looked down upon then a shame on the writer. If this was written for fun then three cheers for him.
But as far as i think the writer needs to come to IIT and stay with me for a month to get to know why we people are so boastful.
Thanks to Digvijay (hope he is our diggie da) for bringing out the true facts.
Kaam dham nahi hai logo k paas
Hey
You must be an OBC guy who lost a seat in IIT. Or your colleague is from an IIT who gets a lot of promotions ……No probs dude… Thats quite understood.
If I may add, the only difference between u & us is that we are in IIT & u on the other side. We have a better peer group and better profs surrounding us which allows us to think better. If we take advantage of it to grow better, we grow.
As far as the lingo and nicks are concerned, grow up kiddo !!
Every gully has its share of creativity in nicks.
And as far as marketing is concerned, I heard some Manipal guy boasting that he is from MIT. Brand definitely matters. & it was not built in a day.
Well you made me realize the value of IITs.
Jo bhi .. ho … atleast .. Someone is talking about Frust IITians.. 🙂
umm NOT funny
dude you didn;t make it to IIT after 12th or what?
even though i am not from IIT, this seems to be your way of taking out ur angst or something…
Well since this is your blog…
so whatever you say is your perception…
i can’t say anything about IIT…coz i never went to one…
but i just skimmed a few replies and a couple of them talk about the infamous “Brain Drain”…
well i am not sure if this phenomenon exists to such a large extend as was perceived some 10 years back..
as far as the IIT tag is concerned…like branding it and all..
well if an average Indian youth can adorn NYPD or Chicago Bulls jerseys or flash Canada’a flag on the windscreen of the cars… then why the hell you can’t flaunt your hard earned IITian tag…
atleast you did sweat for…
i you have it…flaunt it…if you don’t welll in that case…bad luck! …try hard
I completely agree with this post ..just because I am another loser like him… forget about IIT I wasn’t even able to get into a decent Engg. college… so I graduated from Pappu Prem Chand Charitable Engineer College (PPCCEC), regional campus , (main campus is too tough to get into)!
The higher you soar, the smaller you seem to those who cannot fly – (Nietzsche)
Again I agree with my bro, If we cannot fly that does not mean you hawks (iitians) should keep shitting on our faces n if u continue doing that, only crap can come out of our mouth , my bro just gave a demonstration , thanks bro.
My bro explained how two I’s stand for ego in IITian , my college has two P’s .. so i m just full of pee… does that make sense?..well! if the concept of two I’s can make then why not :)… c my bro is so brainy.. 🙂
Banner on the “IIT Door”:
“Everyone is welcome to IITs…Only throvgh merit.”
well you guys were lucky , u saw that banner , took JEE and got into IIT…
My bro did the same thing but couldn’t clear JEE , took it again.. n again..no use… butttt.. but he met that closed door so many times that at least he was able to find the spelling mistake on the banner “throvgh”… c my bro is so brainy… 🙂
We Pappus expect at least some respect from you IITians.. we respect you.. like my bro compared IITians with MIT students…that clearly shows where you guys stand in our minds..
Don’t take me wrong: IITs have done a great job of producing export quality engineers.
Once I graduated from my Pappu college obviously I had no job …no girl was interested in me and IITians are most desirable grooms.. … so I though I should write something about the IITs just to relax my frustrated mind.
Just take me as cheap whore Rakhi Sawant , whom nobody gives a shit but still she finds innovative ways to get publicity.. 🙂
at last
” Once a Pappu , Always a Pappu ”
Again thanks my brainy bro.. love you :*
hey guys.. this brother sukhjinder.. hez himself an IITIAN [:P]
bt still watever dis brother said.. i respect that.. being a fuc**** iitian myself
yeah iitians r arrogant… shame on dem
hey sonia… (guys shez my girl friend) …how r sweety 😛
u can say anything… u hv d right 🙂
i am not talking about u .. u r very good and sweet 🙂
some ppl don’t hesitate to impress the girls on such an place to….[:)]
Hahahaha 🙂 above post hit the nail on the head!!!
i need not impress anybody brother.. shez already mine 😛
yeah hez right….
hmmm… why to interfere in one’s personal life… stay happy bro n b****i..
🙂
Im back from IIT KGP – well jaded_mind if you’ve read my post – please reply. It seems you have mislead people about the things that IIT is about – now I’m not being hostile, but understand that just becuase we’re egotists doesnt give you a reason to hunt us down. If you dont like us please stay away – a lot of people dont like a million things but that doesnt mean they should be destroyed.
Amen brother!
Sukhi_Kgp..
Can you please give me the contact address of ur “Pappu” College … I am really looking fwd to get into one of these.
U r too Goood . sukhi_KGP… r u from IIT KHARAGPUR kya..
i appreciate what birjodh has written 🙂 good work. . just kicked d ass
i am sorry about dat.. nd m not boasting.. m just answering to one of my fellows birinder…. anyway.. nice writing crusader…
i am sorry about dat.. nd m not boasting.. m just answering to one of my fellows birinder…. anyway.. nice writing crusader…
and please if u want to leave this country its fine …no one needs u here…go fuck urself and lick the assholes of whites…y the fuck r u blaming the govt of india for it?
banbuzz u r really bringing d iitians down .. even though u urself are an iitian.. SHAME ON U
yes dude u said that we are proud of being in IIT but are you not feeling proud of being able to write such things about IITians??
To how many people did you show this post to make yourself feel proud?
If one stops feeling proud on his achievements then the whole motice of life is lost…
n ya one comment about ur real estate thing -” i think dat i know about real estate better than you not because i am an IITian because i have grown up listening about real-estate ups and downs since i was a kid. So this is not at all true. why shall the property costs increase?? this is purely illogical. n u better not challenge me on this because i hate being challenged on a topic with which i am ethically involved”
y r u ppl fighting among ur self…beat the shit out of the person who has written this blog
jadded dude are u doing MBA?? bcoz one guy out here told me dat one gets to learn only three things in MBA :-
1. speaking good english – ( i do not speak dat bad too)
2. talking to girls – ( dude IITians can talk to girls easily. they do not feel shy. Believe me.)
3. getting dressed up nicely. (see my pic to believe that IITians can dress up nicely too.)
🙂
if u have the guts den why dont u use your actual name crusader and goose??????
@anonymus
U did a spelling mistake ,,, u must be an iitian ,,, if we go by the logic of the above Post. 🙂
me : Feeling ashamed 🙂
Digvijay I am not against the point of iitians studying or working abroad….IIT alumni had brought laurels for this country by staying at US….but my point is y to curse our own country? I think u will also agree to this
even if I tell my real name what can u do sahil …. come and beat me over here…talk sensible dude …u r an iitian
and u are not brother…. that why u do not have balls 🙂
Ya no point cursing anyone Crusader. I love my India actually – even though Im the lowest form of life as you poeple believe – an IITian!
It shames me to even think that my own country people are turning against us IITians. Here we worked our asses off to stay and do our studies from an IIT.
The blog writer seriously needs to consider people’s feelings – not only his own before writing such acrid blogs – its really a sad state of affairs.
All Im saying is that we need to still improve if we are to keep our brains in the country – a pity really!
Thats the way a sensible IITian writes..yo digvijay
My final comment and rebuke to this blog would be the fact that – tell me this jaded_mind. Not in any other place do you see people from all religions, all colours and all places of India. Living as a tribe together – the uniting factor being just one thing – the intelligence and will to excel!
If you cannot grasp the beauty of this then you really have become overcome with a self-cosuming angst for the IITs and beware my friend – it is you who will perish not our tribe.
Long live India and hail all IITians – sons of India’s soil and the finest brains in the world.
wat happened brother.. we dont use insensible woyrds unless we are forced to do so by some ppl
and how come I know that ur real name is birjodh ( havent heard of it till now) is it a tribal name OBC?
anyway i gotta do an assignment… take care you guys…
and no offeneses… was just trying to heat up d discussion….
its a pujnabi JATT by the way.. birjodh tiwana.. u sona of a ST 😛
Man this has turned into a mound of dog shit. No hard feelings people – sorry from an IITian to all 🙂
jaded_mind you are the one Im upset with – how could you stereotype people like this? – shame on your intellectual capabilites and a pity that you weild such a poison pen.
buraaah.. buraaahhh …. hun kiti aa jattan ali gal… buraaahhhhh… teri maan nu lannn crusader…
Its Crusader not crusader – sahi se fake karo. Must be IITians – spelling blunders hahahaha. *PEACE*
role…. aur role… mujhe pata hai jealousy main insan ka dimag kharab ho jata hai… jal mat… 😛 tum logon ki yahi prblm hai ki gandgi bahut bakte ho 😛 sale non iitians
common guys … dont use my name.. 😛
I posted 95 only… thats it..
agar koi point hai to bol.. warna get lost from here….. aur han.. 09233353245 is my number… gaand main dum hai to call me 😛
and one more thing
I dont give a shit to what you Pappus say.. so here is my ‘ego’ .
keep it up digvijay !!!
Btw anyone can masquerade as an IITian so stop believing everything people say – stick with the sensible comments and the saucy ones 🙂
http://sr-itbhu.blogspot.com/2008/03/sour-grapes.html
Hahahaha – so funny!
ROFL 🙂
guys lets get the shit out of it.. talk sensibly… but ya now i seriously feel sorry for the guy jadded.. he seems to be a real looser.
one more point that he said that IITians never mature.
I am not the person that i was 3 yrs ago…i have become a lot humble and sensible after coming to IIT. Infact i am only left with 10% of arrogance of what i had before coming here.
N ya the most important thing that i have learned here is “To think big”. and thats what IITians do…
so be sensible man and avoid showing your frustration in public.. because everyone knows “khali bartan hi jyada awaaz karta hai”.
n for u mister crusader all the guys replying currently belong to birjodh’s group n nt all of us are punjabi’s so think before you speak dude!!
the site is nice digvijay…thanx…kal sham ko srivastav pe milenege…
sath main boiled egg khayenge aur gym jaa ke body banayenge… means main banaunga aur aap funde dena…
🙂
me too!! din bhar code likh ke frust hua tha… now feeling a lot lighter..
what happened jaded ?? deleting comments?
IIT sure can successfully become next election issue, given the controvesy it raises [:D]
For sure, you are another incompetent shit who couldnt make it into IITs. I cant despise you, but for sure, pity you and your common-sense !!
Hilarious! I wont tell where I went to college though, lest it be misconstrued.
You did manage to get a lot of comments writing something controversial especially to a large IIT community thats hooked up to the internet.
I hope you wrote it in good humor, if you did , you did a great job! but if you didnt, my friend, some people can’t and don’t get “it’, and you are one of them!
You wrote a great piece of humor. but you forget that humor doesnt come from hurting people. Sometimes when you think something does make no sense to you , you better be warned to take a closer look at it. This is something I guess most colleges fail to teach and IITs succeed in teaching.
You have a great talent in writing things about people. I appreciate that, but in this post you lacked the judgment not to make the sterotypes worse.
Apparently, you dint have a nice time at your college and you dont find your college name too attractive to mention it some place.
Just ask a Xth std student and still IIT would be a dream for him/her.
IIT gives so much to one’s life that it is unforgettable in One life.
But seemingly, you are too proud of the girls of your clan “Non-IItians”
Grapes are indeed sour !!
Hi ppl..its so obvious..only an IITian is capable of writing such an article and create such a furore!
YO IIT!
To All: I am all for a vigorous discussion and freedom of speech. You are free to speak your mind as long as your words are fit for civilized conversation: that means no profanity. If you cannot express yourself without profanity, your comments would be rejected. But you are free to say whatever you wish, just choose your words carefully. Thanks.
jaded mind have u ever personally met an iitian?
To Some: There is an interesting aspect of this conversation: some think that the meaning of the content is a function of my exact connection to IITs. I am aware of the role of the observer: there is no truth, only interpretations. Or the role beholder plays in determining beauty. But what the source has to do with the validity or stupidity of the post? Things are either wrong or right, funny or boring, meaningful or trite —
irrespective of the source. So my connection to IIT is irrelevant. Should not we think for ourselves, instead of just depending on the authority of the source?
man you are patronizing and pompous!!! But I guess you do have the right to write whatever you want to. My only suggestion(unsolicited 🙂 ) would be to be better informed next time and to not stereotype people.
@The IIT crowd
Guys lets not give attention to this blog. We have better work (:P) to do.
PS : Couldnt help wondering if the fact that you are actually expecting us to do something for the country, is a silent acknowledgment of the IITian superiority.
Dude,
whoever has written this post.
I am an IITian, and if u are one, I pity you. You are surely not one, as it seems to me.
You become an IITian, not because you come to an IIT, but by your actions.. your work and who you go on to become.
You dont claim to be an IITian, it will refect.
and yup, your first paragraph is completely bullshit. Seriously!
@ Satanicoutput
i appreciate your PS sir 😛
“Couldnt help wondering if the fact that you are actually expecting us to do something for the country, is a silent acknowledgment of the IITian superiority”
yaa u nailed it dude 🙂 expecting u to contribute to the country 🙂 u guys dont 🙂
guess an IITan himself has come out with the truth!
ppl who say under grads do no consume money 🙂 and mis informed :)sorry…
i think there have to be more posts like this, and increase the awareness, when countries like China, can impose restrictions on ppl leaving country, even we should..
as i said earlier this is a caste problem, superiority complex,
just a very small percentage of ppl 🙂 tho, shud be nipped.
I completely agree with VJ government spends a lot of money on IIT undergraduates.
Though the fee of an IIT UG is on average Rs 50,000/- per year in all IITs.
But is this small amount enough for such high quality education?
I have figures about 4-5 years back.
Government spends about Rs 1.25 lakh per annum per student including electricity, hostel, mess, tution fees, library, internet, gymkhana, cultural activities, theatre etc etc.Fees for private Engineering instutions are about one lakh per annum.
Every year the government gives a grant of about Rs 850 crores including all IITs every year. The bulk of this money comes from people who are non IITians. And after completing their education in IIT many of the alumni settle outside India.
Being rational thinkers don’t you think that this bulk community be benefitted from IIT graduates?
This community don’t need name of IIT getting famous outside but what need most is job!!!!
i think now the discussion has become a bit meaningful…
so dude you are saying that govt of india spends 1.25 lakh rupees on an undergraduate student each year.
firstly, whole of this 1.25 lakh rupees is not used for the students. 99% people in india are corrupt and so do are people out here. I still recall an incident in my first year when i went to a volley ball coach with my friend and my friend asked for a new volley boll. My friend said that IITs received lot of money can’t u get us a new ball?? and there came the reply – “paisa chan chan ke aata hai..hamare tak to kush nahi bachta”.
secondly 1.25-.5 = .75…
.75*4 = 3 lakhs… do u want an IITian to spend 5 yrs of his life just for the 3 lakh rupees that govt. of india spent for him.??
thirdly, the bulk of the non-IITian community gets benefited from IITians. If IITians open a company even in US then they surely like to expand their business to their home country. the research that they do is used for the benefit of indians too. Knowledge has no bounds of country or region.
Its just a bullshit to bring up the issue of money here.
If you are saying that govt. spends 850 crores for IITians why dnt u bring up the issue of giving privileges to SC/STs on whom the govt may be spending 8500 crores each year( or may be even larger).I am damn sure that india has gained much from spending on IITs then from spending on the SC/STs.
then plz along with this policy bring an alternative of paying back to indian government Rs. 3 lakh(with interest of course) if one wants to go to U.S. after graduating from IIT. I don’t think anybody will have a problem paying that.
Ok the facts first. I will talk about IITK as my facts come only from IITK but I expect the situation to be same everywhere.
1.> 850 crores is pitiful. The UP govt spends more on its cars every month.
2.> The figures of 1.25 lakhs per year come from simple division of IIT budget by students. Well as research institutions, IIT’s are expected to spend quite a bit on high technology instruments, most of which benefits the PG junta. I am not saying that the UG junta experiences no benefits from the research spend. All I am saying is that we are not as subsidised as the people think.( We pay much more than the guys in NIT’s and other govt. colleges)
3.>In IITK atleast the PG’s are a pampered lot, getting better hostels, facilities and all. The administration has been very clear that their primary focus is the PG crowd which is well kind of stupid.
4.> @ VJ The Chinese tend to restrict a lot of other things. For example you wouldn’t have been able to write what you just wrote if you had been in China. There is just one difference, and its called democracy my friend. The faster you understand that the better it is.
5.> The benefits that the IIT’s have given to the India far exceeds the investment put into them by the Government of India. These include the tangible benefits like major leadership role in business and industry and intangible benefits like global prestige(standing would be a rather more suitable word).
6.> Please don’t “expect” anything out of us. I am not studying in an IIT because of you and I have no plans of giving anything back to you. I would live my life the way I want to and if in the process the society benefits, well and good. But my welfare is my first priority.
hey.. jaded_mind.. what are you credentials… what have u achieved in life so far..
it looks like u r one of those losers who gets mothered by IITians at their workplace or in general…
Another sad ranting (with little truth and little humour) about the IITians by an ignorant jealous non-IITian.
Would anyone care to pass some cheese to go with all the ‘whine’?? And a bit more to Jaded please.
I am an IITian, and a proud one at that, but I still agree with what Jaded has mentioned as being ‘directionally correct’, albeit with all the wrong examples and negative undertones. We cannot continue to use the undergrad degree for the rest of our lives as a life support system.
My 12 years outside IIT have clearly demonstrated that capability or success in professional life has ZERO correlation with your undergrad degree, AIR or CPI.
We need more humility guys!
Acid Test: If I were to give you a position in a IIT, would you go?
If not, you’re out of your bleeding mind!
Come on guys you don’t need to ask the guy his credentials. Its his blog you are reading after all. He can write what he wants to. It doesnt matter if the guy went to an IIT or not or if he is frustated that he didnt get into one(which i think he is not).
@HARKONAN
What if he did want to go to an IIT? He is not against the IIT’s, read the article please.
But I still maintain that the article is misinformed and stereotypes miserably.
PS: despite having said in an earlier post to, not to pay attention to this article, I have contributed quite a few comments. Baah… maybe becoz its the MID SEM time and I have nothing to do. 😛
Lets agree on one thing atleast…people are reading this blogpost only because of the name IIT in it…else no one would care about u …Mr-i-have-been-smothered-by-IITians-all-my-life-and-haveto-vent-frustration =somewhere.
The hubris of the defeated – this was probably the first and most appropiate phrase that flitted across my mind as I continued to amuse myself by reading the “piece of literature”, which appears to be nothing but a frantic effort for attention. Getting so many comments for a single blog…poor little soul! Such has been the magnitude of your defeat in life that you are now resorting to such asinine measures to force yourself into believing that you are important or useful…Wake up! YOU ARE NOT…
Simply, by expressing some baseless prejudices, which are probably rooted in a deep sense of inferiority complex – you cannot achieve your vague purpose – of deriding a group of people who had given their hearts and souls to achieve something in a field which they perceived was important to them – that was academics. I agree with you on the fact that just a single exam is not sufficient to select suitable students into IIT – but that’s the way it currently is…everyone around is intelligent enough to identify the fallacy by themselves – but the more important thing is coming up with solutions. And believe me dude…common-place people like you would like to indulge in such puerile criticism – but the brand of people you talk about would “consider” finding a solution. But you have voluntarily chosen to blind-fold yourself into believing something which is quite the opposite.
Now let me clarify a few of the terrible flaws you’ve made…
1. The conception that Govt does so many things for IITians that they should bind them into some contract… Answer this: How much have you paid for your tuition fees back in college? At IIT, the minimum tuition fee per sem is about 16,000 (that’s 32K a year)… which is far greater than that in any other engg institutes – many institutions in Bengal charge lesser than 1K per year (Jadavpur, Shibpur BE college)… even the tuition fee of DCE, PESIT, RVCollege and NITs is far far far lesser… what I’m trying to say is that the amount the Govt pays to incubate the growth of this secluded “tribe” is probably equal in amount to what it is paying for you “lesser mortals” as well. (Taking into account the infrastructure difference between an IIT and any other ordinary institute)
2. And who said that IITians are social freaks. It’s again your misfortune – you yourself probably suffer from such a symptomatic disorder which had earned you the opportunity to interact with IITians who are socially awkward…so is there any group for the “socially awkwards” or something?… and moreover, you have barely known 5 IITians throughout the miserable existence that you’ve had till now – and probably encountered 50 more. There 3000 IITians who are passing out each year. So whatever generalizations you made, they are preposterous and presumptuous – but I guess, it’s ok for you…as you are a non-IITian, you tend to make these mistakes. (I hope I have spoken in lucid english and not in the language of mathematics…I understand the language of mathematics is quite incomprehensible for… non-IITians, in general)
Well, I could go on with this internet duel – but it wouldn’t result in anything consequential. Neither would it serve to improve the quality of your life, which certainly does not beggar any description, nor would it help me in any way. I’d like to wish you all the very best in the pursuit of your hobbies – which probably include capturing moments on camera which can be used later on used in a collage to try and taint and tarnish the brand that India is proud to flaunt. I hope you are making some money out of it!
Before signing off I would like to tell you that – the five fingers of our hands are all of different shapes and sizes…some small and some large. Cutting out any one finger from your hand would hurt you as much as cutting out another. Working without even a single one of them, irrespective of the size, would be equally difficult. Work out the metaphor and try to understand it.
lolz A K
You found a bug in the wordpress code. You cannot have extremely long words.
Bet the programmmers never envisaged the use of a word as long as has been used by you. 😛
Its amazing that you spent all this energy into this post. All this effort on IITians. We feel blessed, really. On some level it shows your infatuation about it. So which ‘tribe’ do you belong to? ‘the one that did not’ or ‘the one that did, and being the moist douchebag that he/she (naah ‘he’, i can bet its a ‘he’ considering this is IIT, but why be a sexist) is, was screwed over’. Its time to wake up and smell the concrete. So up yours.
Jaded Mind…
I hope you belong to one of the 3 groups…
1. You were fired from IIT or about to be fired…TERMI
2. You were unfit for IIT…DUMB
3. You feel inferior to an IITian..due to his/her stature..
4. You tried 4-5 times for JEE..but unable to make it…then u wrote this funny article….
5. Funda is the more you inferior,degraded folks write funny things about IIT’s, the more it describes the degraded,inferiority colmplex that present in your mind
For u in a Single Sentence… ..
Grow Up KID…..
For all the IITians commenting on this blog, @Alan: instead of berating the author and tainting his background, try and face the issue at hand. In defense of the IITians, this blog is a bit too acidic and discusses only one side of the story. We should not expect IITians to serve society directly. They indirectly contribute to the economy by paying taxes and many of them have turned to entrepreneurship. That is why the IIT’s were built, and we cannot expect an IITian to go and generate jobs in villages. It doesn’t work that way.
On the other hand, I would like to point out that although there are a few IITians who are really good and deserve a seat in the IIT’s, most of the people who end up there are seriously insufferable. The IIT’s don’t do any value addition to such individuals, which is a very serious issue being raised today. They don’t respect the country or it’s people, which is ironic, as whatever the IITians may be, they’re Indans.
And as to being social freaks, they don’t consider themselves to be freaks as their society is restricted to their campus. The author doesn’t have an inferiority complex, who says he considers himself inferior to you? It’s an assumption, which again highlights the egoistic pedestal that many IITians standing on; the fall is always fun watching, and @someid: the concrete smells better with a tinge of blood.
For every famous IITian anyone can name, there will be ten who got screwed in the real world because of their inflated ego and despicable attitude. They will never consider others’ views and have the @someid: “I’m right, up yours” attitude, which may explain why so many IITians have difficulty in the workplace.
Most people never study after going to IIT’s as they feel that they deserve a job on the merit of entering an IIT. They go to foreign institutes every summer as interns, waste everyone’s time in the process and end up spoiling the name of the IIT’s and the country. Intelligence and the will to excel unites this tribe. @Digvijay: Is it?
The worst thing about IITians, however, is how they look down upon people from other institutes. The alarming fact is that this tribe is spreading to all top institutes of the country. And IITians please don’t reply and brag, “We’re the top institutes of the country”. God, half of you can’t even converse in English! Given the falling level of your entrance exam and your reputation in foreign universities, that’s going to change fast. @Casina: Brand reputation is not built in a day, but the IIT’s are setting a record time for losing it.
@Maverick: Glad to see that someone on the other side of the fence is willing to argue on both sides. Wise comments.
Please don’t ask me for my credentials, I’ve achieved more in my four years of graduation than most IITians.
Dear Jaded,
I don’t know much about “Igo-Igo-Tribe” people… but here are a few about whom you can read…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandeep_Pandey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyendra_Dubey
You din’t read the Sour Grapes blog… that was ok. But, if you don’t read this… you may be missing a lot… may be another to-be-posted-stuff for your blog. I am sure that the with the amout of rational thoughts and alert and analytical mind that you have, you will be able to dig deeper. What a man can do most for his country is giving up his life… A few arrogant, ego-centric people have already done that and more are ready. If you could not meet any of the, it’s none of your fault.
“It’s not about the way things actually are… it’s more about the lenses, through which you look at them.”
Best regards,
Yogendra Pandey
@ Nitin
You have hit the bull’s eye.
you are damn right.
kudos to you.
Good humor!
But clearly written by an IIT reject.
stop being jealous dude!
We (IITians) know the lyf v live…
the amnt of work we put in rite 4m childhood.
come’on don’t be childish 😦 jaded_mind
its coz u cudnot make to n iit may b!!
i guess u have some mental trauma.
juss relax n chill!!
frens stop wastin tym on such a crap childish thing.
This man must have failed to qualify JEE after many attempts.. and is clearly jealous of IITians…
It was rather funny but the observations made by him were rather correct
DUDE.. seriously have u ever met an IITian??
this whole thing u said is just SHIT nothing else…..
Good observation. But, surely coming from one who at some point in his life had given it his all to be called an IITian. Its obvious that you didn’t get through but never mind dude its not the end of the world. You write well and that to some extent will compensate for your cerebral inadequacy. I’m sure you’ll be able to eke out a living for yourself.
Cheers. 🙂
This dude ain’t gt no lyf can be seen very clearly by the amount of tym he spent on researching on us IITians. Clearly a dispose frm the JEE, this ” i gt no balls to get through JEE” must realize tht the govt ain’t investing on IIT’s hence expecting no profit. If he really has tht much grudge against IITians /IIT’s (can’t figure out which one, coz he just couldn’t masturbate fr the day) must get a sneak peek on the life inside IIT and then open his mouth. Dude whatever ur name is, u r actually trying to cover up ur own shortcomings by opening ur stinking ” mugged the whole dictionary but can’t tell their meanings” mouth. We deserve wht we got mother fucker, and u must appreciate the needle dick of urs.
@All…
Good humor, indeed, jaded mind. Most of the things you have noticed are correct but a very fundamental mistake made by you is that you generalized the post for all iitians.
It seems that you and many other people who commented on the post have formed an opinion after interacting with a few shit headed iitians. If only you could appreciate the fact that iitians are also human, both good and bad.
@nitin, the moment you said that you have learned more in your ‘four years of education’ than most iitians, showed it clearly that either you too are suffering from the same ego problem, or you are jealous of your friend who got in iit, who, incidentally, was worse than you in studies…
Whatever be the case, whatever… i can smell sour grapes, and they are smelling pathetically strong.
WTF u have scribbled jaded.. This is not a place to scream your hatred feelings for IIT and IITians.. Go do some sensible work
Bolne se koi stud nahi banta.. samjhe !!
we just want to see what you have accomplished till now..
well jaded,i think u have got more than enough replies(most of which while trying to decipher the reason for these pathetic crusade has ascribed it for some inferiority complex!!only u know how true that is!!)..Still I am bothering to post a reply on something as silly cos a lot of replies supporting u have cited some rare(in cases ficititios) incidents and tried to inflict law of induction!!!Also ur posts convey that u had taken some surveys on IITians reagrding their IQ(Insufferability Quotient)..
Dont know what particular encounter made u think so that IITianas r worthless(dude ur posts tagline seems 2 b so) for ur society,but in that case why do lakhs of student sit for JEE(am sure u did too)..
without going into the depth of ur every argument,Ill just say this:A genius shines by himself,n yet IITs carve out geniuses and the probability of finding a great intellect in any of the 7 campuses is more than finding elsewhere..And yes IITs are meant to be educational institutes,not someplace where Mr.Jaded will love to give lectures on sociality..We are what we are and we take pride in it(Just cos u cant take pride in saying the name of ur coll,doesnt mean that we cant!!)…U may undermine the contribution of IIT to this country bcos of ur ignorance,but honestly dude waht difference did u make on the lives of others???just look at the mirror once and ask this before asking others..Or is it like,You r not an IITian so how can you even think of doing any think worthwhile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i wonder if this article was actually meant to be funny. the kind of language use poses a BIG doubt. what all you people who agree with jaded is that IIT provides not only academic excellence but social, emotional, physical well being as well. the conditions that you are subjected to make the student more of a man than jaded could ever be.
the article suggests clearly that it is written just using the knowledge of those who were not able to make it to an IIT.
so jaded i suggest that you visit an IIT once and th write another article.
what jaded has written about ragging is crap too. whom better to give their opinion about ragging than the students themselves or are you people too lame to understand this?
about the slogan on the shirt. IITians dont design street side T shirts, its a job for people like you. its really funny how desperate you are to defame the IITians!
about the “puja” sign. it comes from the “INDIAN” part of IIT.
so does the need for the sign board.
the last line is the summary of the article. look around you. IITians dominate everywhere. what the world can do without are people like you who can just speak and prove noting.
so i wouldd suggest better not venture into topics which your feeble mind cant understand.
I believe this post was written just for grabbing attention and loads of comments.
Every place has a mix of population, you can certainly find one of the above type among IITians or any other group.
IIT certainly fails to add value to really great bunch of students. They fail in infrastructure and quality of faculty.
What IIT does is ….It provides an environment:
An almost complete INDIA inside a small campus where each individual has some quality which is more than an “average” individual outside.
Being not in IIT doesn’t mean you are inferior.
“To all the people who believe in themselves, sky is the limit.” – they don’t need a tag, they create their own.
PS: Very few people believe in themselves.
@ Nitin: Intelligence and communicative skills are not measured by ability to speak “English”. Every year 100s of students from every IIT go for higher studies. Certainly you have either wrong or obsolete information. No body asked for your credentials, it was only your desire to speak about yourself.
@jaded_mind: you are certainly unlucky …for the kind of people you encounter….
excuse me for any typos..
grow up buddy…iit is not tht big deal as u r making it by publishing this article………by the ways did i mention tht i’m an iitian…..
hahahaahhahahaha
oooooohhhhh…….kya masto commentary dekhne ko mili yaar majaa aa gaya !!!!!
btw i wud like to ask few questions to the member of the “tribe” :
1..Yaar ye apna AIR kaun boast karta hai be mujhe to sharam aati hai batane me (and let me tell u even AIR 2 is not satisfied so leave alone boasting abt it )
2..Kis IIT ke Kis hostel me students ko ‘garbage’ dump karne lake jaana parta hai ??? (btw dear jaded it is supposed to be puja offering which is hardly done by any IIT student :P.)
3..Service industry ko chor kar kis industry me core engineers ki jaroorat hai india me ?? aur jahaan hai bhi waha govt. to aapko security dene se rahi. R u ready to go to work wid an AK-47 in hostile areas ….do u have it in u ??!!!
4..And lastly please honestly batao kissne wo ‘IIT college’ wala T shirt pehna tha :X. use IIT college me padhne ka koi adhikaar nahi (jahaan printed Tshirt milti hain wid less stupid slogans….khud print karaya tha kya 😛 ??)
hon’ble members of the clan plz reply 🙂
yoyoyo Sukhi_KGP……Your bro is really intelligent…haha
but you MVST 😀 admit that clearing IIT-JEE is difficult….isn’t it? 😛
Dear Jaded,
Seems you have done a lot of research on IITians. Surprisingly, all your attempts prove futile. You have given all wrong or incomplete information (creation of your faded mind). Leave it…You cannot even do this.
Sukhi_KGP, birjodh, sonia gupta, birinder tiwana
u guys made my time worthy of reading this page (posts 95-106)
@BJT Member of Gold winning dramatics team of RP hall of residence
tu rp ki drams team me kab participate kiya yaar….chk out last line
@nitin…..when reading this whole bullshit…i decided tht i wont comment on anything of this long useless discussion…but then u wrote something that made me to comments…which is
“God, half of you can’t even converse in English!”
comment 172
sorry dude….i don’t knew a bit of english be4 coming to IIT (leave understanding those lectures in english or reading all those english books) coz for first 17 years of my life i have been studying in my mother tongue which happens to be our national language too (i hope u know which it is otherwise some patriot around will tell u).
i spent 3 & half year trying to be comfortable in this all english environment (learned how to comprehend those english lectures & how to read those english books at a better pace) but wasn’t ever comfortable in english conversation…but i thought that i am comfortable in my national language so it will work as long as i dont want to go abroad…but i was so wrong.
then here it came, our placement…i got selected in first few rounds bcoz my other skills but always got screwed in interview…. wonder why??? i already told u na…as u rightly stated that i can’t converse in english….
then i started trying how to do this & within one month i got placed….& in my last interview i know that i spoke very fluently (obviously i m talking about english)
thats what we are taught in IIT…how to get maximum output using minimum effort/time….or at least what i learned here during my last 4 years…
now it depends on every individual how much they benefit themselves/others (here others means country or those losers i don’t want to comment)
PS: i checked my post again & seems like i still didn’t learned one thing yet in english that it is “English” but now i don’t have tempo to correct all those. so please bear with it…& if there r any more mistakes then do point out….i will be eager to know that.
I wonder what this chap does professionally that he gets time to think of so much crap. he himself says that he might have mis-spelled something and thats OK..and on the other than he is making fun of some mis spelled banner. God knows where did he get this picture from or if they carry any authenticity or not.
This narrow minded idiot is unnecessarily generalising things which he may have noticed in some IITian (Yes!!! this is perfectly correct spelling you hollow headed moron) and that too I am not sure if he has seen or not.
Everybody has freedom of speech but what the baseless crap this guy has written.
Only good thing with this article is – this has given a platform to lot of non-IITians (AGAIN!!! THIS IS RIGHT) to quench their frustration of being a loser and inferior to their IITian peers.
non-IITians are not losers and remember IIT is only for techincal people. The comment above precisely makes the point about “IItians”(spelling correct) not having sense of humor and havin god-complex.
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poor sfup… even while talking about spellings, the poor chap couldn’t help making mistakes (techincal :P)
And ya..its IITians whether you know it or not
Dear Jaded_Mind,
Your write up made me smile.
You have hit on some attributes of many IITians (Despite your explanation, I still prefer that term better than IITan).
You perhaps do not know that your thoughts will get full support from the wives and children of many of the IITians (especially the ones in the US – don’t ask me why?).
Reasonably, I feel we can agree that:
On the average, an IITian is recognized better, because (i) (s)he went throu(v)gh a very competitive selection process, (ii) (s)he had a relatively more demanding education and work ethic, and (iii) relatively, (s)he has achieved more success in his career, and (iv) (s)he did help raise India’s global profile.
Is there a problem in being proud of it and saying that?
Perhaps you have not met many Stephanians, Harvard grads and the like. (Now that may be food for another blog.)
Another fact: like everything else in life, we IITians have our share of insufferable ones also. Like they say, this is life man!
Let us remember, we IITians are not perfect, we are almost perfect!
Please allow us our idiosyncrasies. (Those from the IITian tribe, please, do not ask me about my AIR, I do not remember it – I just remember that I got my first choice of IIT and subject).
And keep writing – at IIT we also learnt to laugh at ourselves.
Cheers!
ok jaded here is how you properly write humorous articles
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/IIT
I think you are on dot with a specific subcaste within the IIT Tribe (those whose perseverance brought them to IIT not their innate capability) but is not be true for all IITians.. Good post as there seems to be big community of commenter’s who has taken this seriously, who at least may be in the IITian Klan you described!! 🙂
This chap is mere an idiot , a Mtv roadies loser who wants fame and is gathering the comments of all the sensible people and trying to figure out how normal guys think….may be is trying to curse IITians for their amazing aptitude or he is remembering those competitive days when he could not even get a management seat in some private one room engineering college of bangalore and his dad used to say what a fucking retard I have produced….bame urself loser not the IITians
I am shocked to see the number of responses that this post is getting!!! I do not think it deserves so much intellectual masturbation (and lots of mud slinging too).
It proves we Indians have too much free time to discuss only most trivial matters (that includes me because I felt like writing the second time).
Anyways, you all dhandhanots continue your warfare. Happy screwing each other.
From my side, goodbye.
Abhijit
Dear JadedMind,
Ur Blog seems to match ur first name Jaded , yes tats wat it is……
Why are u pin-pointing to the particular institute , Its the general mentality of Indians . Suppose in any normal family if his or her kid achieve something great in life like getting selected for Indian cricket squad , getting admitted in to Top-notch institution like IIts,IIms its natural behaviour of Indians to express the joy with others .
We indians tend to express more ( u may call it show off). Westerners dont do it generally…
U may have observed this , When cricketers like Ishanth sharma, Gautam gambhir returned to theri homes after being triumphant in Australia , their familes organised functions through out the Locality. These things u will definitely not see in westerners.
U can see Ishanth , or any under 19 cricket squad boy wearing Indian cricket team Tshirt , but u cant see an IItian wearing his college T shirt. Mind u IIitians would have put in same effort as these cricketers to make it to the Top.
Theres nothing wrong in showing it off . As far as u saying brain-drain is going on , i bet u dude if u had got in to some well paying management job abroad u would have forsaken India.
And Lot of Indians in Past, Present and i bet in future also are the Cream of the society and they will significantly contribute to Indian economy.I need not mention the names of many IItians who have held top-notch jobs here and are contributing well to the society.
truly sucks!!!
jaded…u r looking frusssssssst….!!!!!!!!
stop annoying iitians…….
Some IITian above commented :
“Please don’t “expect” anything out of us. I am not studying in an IIT because of you and I have no plans of giving anything back to you. I would live my life the way I want to and if in the process the society benefits, well and good. But my welfare is my first priority.”
The top 2% of the Indian youth – the so called INTELLIGENT BRAIN, THE BEST, the ALMOST PERFECT (as someone said), has this kind of an opinion.
Wise ones will foresee the consequences, the unwise ones will start ranting yet again.
Which clan do you want to be in ?
Ciao!
hmmmm …..bhai kya huaa …kitni baar JEE diye aur clear nahi kar paaye ???
koi nahi dost yeah har kisi ki bas ki baat nahi hai !! tussi load na lo yeh life blog likho …..agli life JEE ke liye padhna 😛
@Maverick ….,
Can i ask u one question….before pinpointing others…(the top notch iitians) wat have u achieved in ur Life…have u contributed anything to society how ever small it might be….
As i say IItians in the past also in future are doing well to the society ….I agree that most of them ply to foreign univs to do graduation there and earn in dollars…….but tell me one thing does India have Any topnotch research centres here except very few…
Its natural that the iitians hunger of knowledge and the want for top quality education try for graduation in foreign univs….
The only solution rests on Indian Government , It has to setup more Research centres and encourage Good renumeration to these whiz…kids. Do u have any idea how much renumeration DRDO fresh entrant gets , its paltry amount compared to his efforts he has put through….
Its very natural of human behaviour to go in search of place where pot of gold lies….but its in the hands of Indian government to provide pot of gold to this niche techs for welfare of itself…..
I am not an IITian but still ….I can say that the writer sucks bigtime.
institutes like IITs and its alumni are too big to worry about this sh**…
Go ahead and do the good work IITians…me and lots of other non-IITians are your fans and support you…
Cheers!!!
Hmm looks like IITians pissed you off real good :))
Well your incessant lamentation will be taken as a tribute to what IITians have achieved. Well your writing is pretty good if its intended to be whiny, if not you pretty much failed coz it aint very funny after a while.
Anyways I agree with some of your points but most of it is a very bad generalization which I totally condemn.
Anyways I hope you are happier after your efforts in writing this post coz there should be atleast one good thing coming out of it.
@vantagepoint
“Can i ask u one question….before pinpointing others…(the top notch iitians) wat have u achieved in ur Life…have u contributed anything to society how ever small it might be….”
I am still pursuing my undergraduate studies. And if you had ever read my comments above (#54), you’d have learnt that am also an IITian. Moreover, I have and do plan to make social contributions ahead in my life. And I dont feel the need to narrate them right here.
And please dont talk of achievements, coz I know for sure that I have achieved much more than what you have, even though you’re an IITian just like me.
Comment #207 to justify nahi kar paaye, mujhse poochh rahe ho mere achievements kya hain. Huh!
We IItians all need one pot of gold for themselves! What about the fellow countrymen who still have to stay under-developed just because they could not get through one JEE?
Signing out! Ciao.
Jaded_mind,
no matter how how much you rant you will still remain the “obnoxious little worm” that you are 😀
To All: I have not responded for a while since there is not much to respond. Most of the responses are alike, so much for originality. When I wrote the post, I was amused by students from IIT. After seeing the response, I am saddened. I really hope most of the responses are from a narrow minority, and the better ones are out there doing other things. I seriously do. I hope some of them get back to the normal population after a while. Real life is too diverse and too complex, but some of you can still make it. So do not be afraid. Those of you that have seen the light, keep trying.
hi to all…
n spl thanks to our host(jaded)
good article …(a good work of fiction)
recieved 200+ responses in just 7-8 days..shows that he knows how to hit that chart
jst one thing..’I’ stands for Indian…as long as we r brand India,..we dont give a damn to wat others think
It is indeed a funny article.
I am happy to see that we’ve been ackowledged as a member of the “tribe”, but unhappy to see us described in the same breadth as the rest of the lesser beings that trod the campus along our side 🙂
As a breed I’ve never seen any of us introduce ourselves to others as IITians or ever having demanded dowry or been described as the cause of increase in real estate prices. The community largely ignores the fact that not all IITian are dicks, there is actually a whole another section which is (although statistically insignificant) less egocentric, nicer, prettier and smarter.
Jest aside, I do believe the IITs needs to focus more on producing more than good programers. They definitely need to prove that the federal grants are justified.
I see some progress in this direction based on the funding for innovation, management schools and more research facilities, with IIT KGP in the lead.
– IIT ka ..no wait..
– KGP ..oh sorry
SN ka tempo high hai!!
To All: I must acknowledge that my comment about three types of IIT student is a reflection of how socially uncomfortable IIT males get near a female. Also, in India how science is considered natural domain of man. Interested in science cannot be feminine in Indian mind. I think it would do IITs a lot of good if they encouraged girls, from kindergarten on, instead of discouraging. I think girls and boys are equally curious about things, science or arts or any other aspect of knowledge. My comments were more reflection on the perception people have in India. So there you go. I know a few girls or women got upset, but I expected a lot better from your kind. After all you have much cooler heads.
Jaded_mind, I am sorry to see the mass negative responses to your article. I can assure you that these folks are indeed a minority. Unless of course you take a percentage of the population that consists of: males still in IIT or just recently graduated. I beleive most of the responders fall in the above category.
It takes them a while (usually longer than the rest) to grow up and appreciate some well deserved jest at their own expense.
To one of those masculine females: Nothing to be sorry about. I think you may be right, but then they are kids. I do not think I did anything different at that age either. I like their energy. And the society as a whole takes some of the responsibility. But as you say they will eventually grow up. Self deprecating humor takes certain confidence and maturity. So no need to apologize. They are just expressing how they feel. Nothing less, nothing more. I think they are just a bunch of nice kids with a underdeveloped but overinflated egos. That is all.
Hello frusted Life ie jaded mind
Have you ever purchased a branded product in spite of knowing the fact that you are paying the price mainly for brand ? I hope answer to this question may sooth your annoyance towards IITians flaunting their IIT brands…
Some reflections of your character based on your blog:
You know what ? you are a chump who blindly believes in rumours.
You are a typical very normal narrow minded bong who somehow managed to reach CA
You find it difficult to survive in a community where people around you are more qualified so more successful than you.
An introspection your yourself will clearly reveal that you are an abnormal and incompetent person
And yeah ..take some time and think deeply before spitting back 🙂
What’s your occupation Jaded?
I can see definitely three of a kind here :-
1) Jaded Mind ——-MALE.
2)Maverick———–EFFEMINATE MALE.(hes interested in Jaded mind’s job and wat not)
3) one of those masculine females—-MASCULINE FEMALE.
🙂 LOLS
@Maverick just kidding dont take it seriously…
Lol, great article. Let me start by saying I am from an IIT. Sadly, it never made be as proud as you suggest in this article. By never, I mean not even when I had just graduated. When I graduated, I felt tired to my bones. I had been force fed a lot of stuff I didn’t care about and had lived in an ultra-skewed social environment with too much pressure from every direction. Nothing to be proud of. The only thing it gave me was a bunch of great friends, but then, thats the least a college can give you. Actually, the pride I think is a defense mechanism more than anything else.
Some of what you write is very true, and the whole ego thing actually starts way back in school rather than college. That is the way our whole society motivates a student to aim for IITs. The uncomfortable-near-a-girl thing is very true and has a lot to do with the whole social situation in there. It is very detrimental for the psycho-sexual development of young adults. Absolutely screwed up, total agreement with you. Once you are in there for 4 years, the whole world consists of people (male) and girls, which is the crux of the problem. It may take an IITian a lot of time to figure out the shocking truth that girls are people =).
But, I resented the statement that “any girl will do, the girl need not be pretty.” I know the spirit with which you made the statement but you seem to suggest that judging a girl on prettiness is the least one can do. Which mature guy will ever use prettiness as a criterion to select which girl to be with? This I knew clearly even when I was there. Anyway, I dunno what you meant.
Nice article. Very sarcastic, but more than that, very ascerbic. You seem to have been bitten by one (or many) of them arrogant IITians =). Or probably you were at an IIT and got sick and tired of it all. I did.
Cheers.
@vantagept
Cheap humour! Cheap kidding! 🙂
Everyone should be proud of what they are, one thing to learn from alumni of a good school be it MIT, Harvard, CMU, Wharton…
If IITian/IITan/IIT grad is proud to be a graduate from that school what is wrong? Tomorrow Jaded_mind will graduate from Wharton and will be opposing/laughing at a similar article or too busy to even read one
Of course some people boast too much about their success and some not at all… and thus this is not just for people who got through IITJEE but IIMs, CAT, GRE, GMAT, IAS, IFS…….and there is a long list.
I would not agree with generalizing that all IITians behave the same but would not disagree to the fact that some people let their success get to their heads…
Oh dear!
Nice article but a great deal of cynical bashing. Although I am an IIT student currently and may be it is that my capacity to handle the Self-Deprecating Humour has not developed as of yet, but somehow i feel that u have really had a Hard Luck as far as your interaction with IITians is concerned…
Inflated Egos, Pride in one’s past achievements and the need to be recognized or appreciated (although the listeners might not like it. The “I am from IIT!” thing…) among ur peers, etc.. are attributes common to all humans… its just that SOME IITians who have these qualities, or should I better let it be called attributes, in excess, as usually keeps happening, must be bragging and blabbing aloud… but trust me neither I have myself acted in such a preposterous manner nor have I seen anybody in my friend circle here align his/her behavior to afore-mentioned course of action… and I sincerely hope that it does not get developed in future either..
Anyway cherishing old memories and other regular stuff that u have mentioned is exercised by everybody, and not just IITians… and moreover, why pick the absurdity of a few and tarnish the face of the whole community… if u think cool-headedly u’ll come to know that thats of no use…
Would have seriously liked it, had it remained to the genre that it pertained to in the beginning… But after some time it just turned into yet another anti-IIT campaign sort of thing which, to my chagrin, are uncountable at this very moment.
Anyway, hope to see something pleasant in future!
PS: To ‘One of the Masculine Female’ –
Dear, first you please shred ur pretense of being the SMARTER of the HERD.. u being in IIT shows that u were definitely intelligent or diligent at some point of time in ur past life… but your post here clearly depicts the level of degradation that you have caused yourself after becoming one of the HERD by believing the mirage that u tried to portray, of being SMARTER, etc etc…
dear dear… before pointing out the spelling mistake of “”through”” have you checked your blog???
“”Despite their inflated ago, and may be because of it”””
as far as i know the word ago doesnt fit in the statement!! it should have been ego!
but alas… you differently challenged person… too busy in finding faults with IITs and IITians!! 😀
as far as ignorance goes… dude get a life… and about wearing IIT Tshirts… lolz… u are a smart observer… i tell u keep your eyes shut and you wouldnot see the “”alien”” called IITian
-P-E-A-C-E-
Hey Jaded, Come on dear, Don’t act like this.
Let me tell you first, I am ”NOT” an IITian, just an Indian. 🙂
When I started reading this post, I thought it should be funny. But I am sorry to tell you that it’s not. (Please don’t get offended.) After reading your replies to the comments, I was very sure that this is not a humor attempt.
Hey dear, I too, couldn’t get into those institutions after trying few times, but this doesn’t mean that I should be negative about them. I accepted that I am just not smart enough to get into ‘the-most-competitive-school-system-in-the-world’.
And as we all know, many people in the world respect these institutions.
[Do I need to mention this??! 🙂
“This is IIT Bombay. Put Harvard, MIT and Princeton together, and you begin to get an idea of the status of this school in India.” (Lesley Stahl, co-anchor on CBS 60 Minutes)
“And it’s hard to think of anything like IIT anywhere in the world. It is a very unique institution.” (Bill Gates, Microsoft)
“Per capita, IIT has produced more millionaires than any other undergraduate institution.” (Salon Magazine)]
[To All who replied]: I also didn’t like the comments you made. (I didn’t read all of them though.) Didn’t like the way people got offended.
[To Jaded & All]: IITs are the one of the real good things in our country.
Should we abuse the people who are much more intelligent (Believe me they are.. they really are.. much much more!) than us. Instead of that, can’t we just appreciate them?
Don’t you think we should stop wasting time in such discussions? DON’T YOU THINK WE NEED TO GROW UP?
This is India, my friends. Let’s not envy each other. Let’s stop being stupid. Let’s rise together.
[To Jaded]: well, good luck in your life ahead. I hope you do good. (Your try of humor is not bad, choose good subjects in future, I think you can do good in writing.)
[To People who got offended]: Come on folks, we can forgive our friend for this.
[To IITians]: Keep rocking..! 🙂
I found the article quite entertaining even though I am a card carrying IIT Bombay alumnus and a very active member of the IIT Bombay alumni movement.
Without a doubt, IITians are full of themselves as we will the first to admit. However, as with all stereotypes, there is some truth and no one can deny the underlying excellence of these institutions which have produced very successful alumni, who have done well both in India and in the world at large, in engineering companies, Wall Street, consulting, business in general, and in academia, notwithstanding the comment about “export quality engineering labors (sic)”.
FYI, a link to this blog is posted on the Alumni website of IIT Bombay at http://www.iitbombay.org. IITians may be “insufferable”, but we do have a sense of humor, and empathize with and fully understand the “IIT-envy” of the non-IITian tribes of India!
@ All IITians getting offended by this post: Jaded IS an IITian. After all its freedom of expression yaar. why should you all bash him/her up for sharing his/her views?
As for the post – I found it really humorous. Its a known fact that IITs are undoubtedly the best in India. And I am sure that the author of this post is also aware of that, which is probably the reason why he picked up this topic (I mean why not a post on say VJTI or Anna University or any other institute?).
So guys, enjoy the post. A little bit of humour won’t spoil the reputation of the IITs.
This is laugh out loud hysterical!
Enjoyed it, enjoyed the huff and puff of people commenting here even more. 😀
I do agree with most points in your post here, especially the “I am from IIT…” phrase being timed and dropped in precisely every three seconds in a conversation!
if it is not case of sour grape which it does not seem to be then it has some interesting insights. Everyone is not like that but yes few bad apples give the clan bad name 🙂
To All: I must admit it is fascinating to see the diversity of reactions to the simple post. Most of them are more passionate than I expected. Of all reactions, indifference is the one a typist fears most — well I consider myself as mostly a typist, not a writer. In that regard, this post did not disappoint me. Not at all.
Just few quick remarks.
1. Sense of humor is subjective, and if you did not find it funny it is not your fault at all.
2. Do not judge a post by the person who wrote it. It really does not matter who am I or what is my motivation. Either you enjoyed it or you did not. Period.
3. No one can insult us, unless we want to be insulted.
The post is really hilarious and bit unreasonalble frm IITian’s point of view. if u look at any organization i am sure we can find fair number of IITian’s in the top management which proves that they are really capable.. take any reputed company (like microsoft) u can find fair number of IITian’s. Some of the core qualities IITian’s have ( which u can’t find in non-IITian’s) :
Never give up attitude
Excellent problem solving skills
Structured way of thinking
Ability to learn things very fast
Love to do challeging work
The only -ve side which i found among IITian’s is :
Surperiority complex and little bit of ego…
but it’s perfectly acceptable. after all ppl who achieved great success shud get this qualities naturally.
i don’t agree with the argument that IITian’s always boost or market IIT brandname …infact they are not the persons who popularized the IIT brand name..non-iitians are the ones who actually popularized it realising that it’s worth to be popularized. The reason behind this popularity — IITians outperformace in almost every field.
Being an IITian i never used IIT brandname in any of my initial conversation. i was made to use it just because after talking for a while ppl used to ask me “what’s ur background??”. This type of situation happens to most of the iitians bcoz the way of thinking of iitians is completly different. This is the one of the big differentiating factor between IITian’s and non IITians..The core qualities which i have mentioned above reflects in every IITian’s conversations. The work they do reflects these qualities. so people are curious to know where the person has developed these qualities.. obvious answer is IIT !
interesting.institutes meant to give research driven education.enjoyable, creating and encouraging passion for learning and to develop society,but reduced to money ,brand, status, ego. global system in local bureaucratic conditions without adapting has given meaningless academic pressure cookers wasting precious years of youth.today atleast why not allow top global universities to establish here and learn to experience the joy of education.we needmore than govt bureaucratic hyped institutes of excellence in diverse areas.
2 much comments…. u dont desrve it
I always thought that IIT was so respected because it was spoken off so reverentially.. IITJEE kehte the usse!!!
And then I met a few IIT graduates and realized that well… they were just human too…
I graduated from IIT a long time ago. Decades have passed; I am a balding middle-aged man making a comfortable living in Silicon Valley; doing some interesting things at work and raising 3 neat kids.
The glow of having got into IIT has never quite faded from my heart. I use it as one of the tools to convince my children that even though we are not rich enough to waltz into any Ivy League school we want – we can still reach the pinnacle of academic achievement for 18 year olds. Of course, my son does remind me once in a while – what’s the point? you are not even as rich as our neighbor, who is an accountant?
The first time I realized that there were 2 tribes was in grad school. There, for the first time, I met people who were predisposed to cut me down to size just because I was from IIT. Over time, my insufferable arrogance of being “creme de la creme” of Indian academics did give them personal reasons to take me on in debate, competition for grades, women and jobs. But it taught me that being an IIT alumni came with its responsibilities.
When I started working – most Americans had not heard of IIT. It was a great pleasure to explain to them the uber competitive entrance exam, especially the “sudden death” – 2 days and that’s it. Nothing else matters. Getting it known that I was from IIT was not a big deal for Americans; but it was a big deal to Indians. One had to balance and be discreet. The dotcom daze brought the IIT into full focus and soon enough – it ceased being a story about different cultures and IIT passed into being just another Ivy League like school.
Along the way, I concluded that asking an Indian engineer about where they were from was to be avoided. Soon enough, they would ask where I was from and which college and then – the cat is out of the bag. An awkward silence, a conversation stopper. Every once in a while, I would meet someone who displayed something tell-taleish – their arrogance, their confidence, their command of the discipline – and I would venture forth to inquire if they were a fellow IITan. Most times – I scored.
Now, after so many years – I no longer feel constrained about having a normal conversation between 2 Indians meeting in the US. If the other person is old – they do not have the old “grudges” or “sour grapes” or “wistfulness” or “inordinate respect”. If they are young – it does not make a difference. I am so different from them anyway – I am an Uncle type – I do not seem like an Alpha to them.
This thread brings back many old memories of what it has been like – being an IITan. The first thing that my brother said to me when he heard I had an AIR – “This will always be with you”. And it has been true. It has been with me in some small way much of the time, and in big ways some of the time.
This thread also makes me wonder about my children. Do I really want them to aspire to the Ivy Leagues? Do I really want them to try their best? What if they do not have that extra luck that I had? How will the mere effort change them? Is it better to have tried than to never have tried? I don’t know.
(Thankfully, my children are not waiting for me to tell them what to do, so there’s no real decision to be made. But, the question does linger …)
great!
so, the same drivel gets repeated every now and then, albeit in different forms and shapes.
starting from some ‘peculiarities’ of IITians, jaded mind has now stooped to question the contrribution of IITians to India
(I refer to him saying “As for achievement, I am not sure when it comes to engineering IITs have done much: none of the advancement of recent days came from India. Computers, mobile phone, Internet – are any of them from India? What are the great achievements of the IIT students?”)
He has even gone further down and questioned whole of engineering discipline…
(“engineering by definition is mediocre science at best. Try to come up with a name of a great engineer and you will see how far short it falls from a great mind. And yes, you can go outside IIT system.”)
I personally don’t have anything against jaded mind as I believe every person has a right to have his own opinion, however skewed it might be.
I would just like to ask whoever is interested to browse through this post bt great bong who deals with the above question quite fittingly (about the general question of contribution of IITian in particulat and engineers in general)
http://greatbong.net/2006/05/22/earth-shattering-arguments/
this is so familiar :). there’s another “breed” BTW – the IIT-IIM combo! That just rips everything apart.
(quote) engineering by definition is mediocre science at best. Try to come up with a name of a great engineer and you will see how far short it falls from a great mind (end quote)
Whoa! Hold your horses, my dear friend. I am not against you taking a swipe at my “tribe”. In fact, the very fact that someone is taking out time to write about us is proof enough that we possess qualities which are worth writing about! 🙂
Till such a time as you are speaking about IITians [IITans, whichever way you spell it, it harldy matters] and making generalizations left, right and centre under the pretext of humour [correct, UK english spelling] you are treading a well trodden path. But the moment you make a demeaning statement about engineering, you are showing the hollowness of your thinking and the limited capability of your brain to process information fed to it.
Consider this: the very PC/laptop that you are using to rant about IITians was created by an Engineer. The Internet, which you are using to spread the ramblings of your “jaded” mind [nice name, very fitting] is likewise. Consider all the good things in life: a house to live in, quicker travelling, availability of medicines, ability to communicate over large distances, et al., and you will realize that there is an engineer responsible for it and proud of it. What you don’t realize, and probably your own “inflated” ego prevents you from doing so, is that engineers contribute to society as much as any chartered accountant, medical professional, airline pilot, sea diver, army man, etc. does.
You might have apologized for this statement of yours. I see that some people have already made references to this. It’s alright even if you don’t apologize though. We, as engineers, are content with the satisfaction we derive from the utility of our creations. After all, it takes a lot of creativity and effort [which this post could have used] to convert an idea into a practically usable item.
I see that your post is quite popular, and you might take a moment to reflect that many posts are by IITians. This might suggest that we have a lot of time on our hands! 🙂
But then, that also means either that we can find time to write/comment on things that matter to us or we are so financially well off that we don’t have to slog like mere mortals do!
Do you realise that your article actually is contributing to the very brand that you are supposedly bashing? Or was that the point anyway? Back-handed compliment?
Also, the attempt at humor is fairly lame.. all the cliches appear..
Am visiting this blog the first time and haven’t had time to go through the large barrage of comments.. so excuse me if this has been said already. But anyway the article itself regurgitates content – in a form less interesting than previously available! 🙂
iitians are a-holes….!!!!!
Whatever Jaded_Mind has said is absolutely true .
Checkout the link below .
http://www.ue.ucc.ie/~rachit/Cultural+Degradation+among+IITK+Students.pdf
This is a survey conducted by IITK itself . LOL….
@ Ground Breaking Evidence
I glanced through the “report” for cultural degradation.
Prima facie, there seems to be no connection of the report with this particular post by Helloji.
Secondly, and this is important, what the report states is essentially true for all colleges in India having residential facilities for students.
If anything, IIT Kanpur is doing a good job by at least highlighting the problem and seeking solutions for the same.
Dear “Ground Breaking Evidence” ,
The report shows that IITK is concerned about the
welfare of its students . I am sure corrective measures would have been taken by the administration .
Please tell me if there is any other college in India that has the guts to do a survey like this ?
Most of them would have just ignored these things .
Thats why IITK is always raked first .
IITK’ites , U rock the most!!!
For those who are into IITs, there are two kinds of people in the world:
Lot 1 : who got into IITs and spoiled their lives with
Lot 2: who didnt get to IITs and enjoyed their lives thereafter
For those not in IITs, there are four:
Lot 1: who never know what IIT means
Lot 2: who knows what IIT means but never cared
Lot 3: who never admit their knowledge about IITs and IITians
Lot 4: who could not get an AIR in IIT and hated IIT and IITians for the rest of the lives and died of inferiority complex
BUT IN FACT,
IIT IS A NULL OPERATOR! DOESNT BRING A NICKEL TO YOUR LIFE IF YOU HAVE IT OR DON’T HAVE IT
CHILL OUT IF U DIDN’T UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEANT
MY COMMENTS HAVE MEANING FOR JUST ONE OF THESE SIX LOTS WHICH IS ME!
@ Antinomous
You are very correct about that lot of IIT.
I am myself getting frustrated living with them.
Knowledge is lowest on their oriority list…[:(]
@ Antinomous
You are very correct about that lot of IIT.
I am myself getting frustrated living with them.
Knowledge is lowest on their priority list…[:(]
Rightly said,
All IITians know are the chains-and-pulleys of the JEE problems :P.
Now that the JEE got easier (Although still competitive in terms of numbers), and the Kota factory manufacturing tons of JEE rankers; they lack even on that (chain-and-pulley) knowledge.
Many IITians now fail in the first year mathematics courses. Thanks to the psycho-Profs of IITs, who gets all the credit. And yeah, the curriculum just got harder !!
Well written post dude but I have to say …. It seems to be yet another case of Grapes are sour.
whr are u gonna ask ur son/daughter to study IIT or REC/NIT?? because am very sure tht u are such a creep tht u will definitely impose ur “unfulfilled” dreams on ur children!!
Am bored of this “sour grapes” :(. Try sth new if at all “Innovation” is considered to be the third “I” of IIT.
And BTW, all facts stated by me (“JEE got easier”, “Kota factory” and “failing first year maths courses”) are (bitter not sour) truth. Avoid them if you so wish but please don’t hijack the thread with nonsense cliches.
@Anish
Here comes an RECian on defense. My sympathies to you since your dream remained “unfulfilled”. IIT rather was a not that exciting “reality” in my life.
The next generation that India will have wont even care of IITs; forget dreaming about it. IITs can best be a platform to spend four years to reach the legal age of doing anything worthwhile.
You want ego, go talk to those JNU jhola-wallahs and all those Delhi pseudo-university half-brained fat-walleted/pursed students …
As for attempt at humour, it really looked like a post that started of with humour as the main intent, but somewhere along the line got lost in bad grammar and wandered up some other alley, quite which alley I shall not have to disclose assuming you have enough intelligence to decipher … or maybe not … If humour was still the intent till the end, all’s well … If not, then read on …
…To non tribe members, the first thing they love to talk about is AIR (all India rank), and they are full of it…
– Yeah right … I am sure you would have/have had done the same …
…If you can live with their arrogance which is annoying; even their ignorance which is irritating; the arrogant display of their ignorance would infuriate you…
– Just because someone can calculate faster, point out your errors volte-face and state facts that you might not even know existed does not warrant the above statement.
…I have seen IIT student proudly wear T-shirts with logos that is baffling. One T-shirt reads: “Former IIT college student. Current Yahoo! Big thinker.” Really?…
– You have no life than that of bashing others, do you?
…The admiration is deep rooted in the inherent inferiority complex of Indian psyche that equates intelligence …
– You wish that everyone would have an inferiority complex psyche, then you would reign supreme … too bad …
…But, considering the second hand suffering the rest of us have to go through was it worth it?…
– What exactly did we do to you, pray tell? Sodomy (assuming you do not have to look up a lexicon and find 1302 definitions of the word and post it in your reply), Rape, murder, Defamation, Slander, a good tonking (tho’ you could use some … and then some more) … what, what exactly happened to you as a small child (did that “uncle” do something “bad”) that you are so pissed of at people from IIT whom you have so mercilessly shifted into a new tribe with such negative attributes?
…They should stop expanding this hollowed franchise…
– The only hollow object around here is your skull …
Comment waiting moderation … guess what, our free-thinkers-in-disguise are actually mindless controlling Communists …
cool man jaded_mind..had a gr8 time reading the blog and the response..and guys..dont react so much to it..it’s his own opinion abt it..and dont expect everyone will think u r gr88..since u are a proven brand..though everything in the blog was not correct but it’s true that iitians have a feeling of superiority and ego. i may be rong..but i also have observed this..
no hard feelings..chill guys..dont take it personally.
Wow…Can see someone’s ass on fire..Jaded Mind it’s good to see that IITians do effect someone. But in any case I like the post..But you yammered too much. I am not from IIT but I do respect IITians a lot. I don’t why do you guys expect so much from them.They are normal human being ya but slightly above layman when it comes to technology!
Cheers…
Whine whine whine whine whine !
iit is good but i think i am not make engeenier
Where the heck is this discussion going?
It started off as a article (with a tad of humour (more sarcasm)) and niw its an all out war.
I am not from IIT and have nothing against the people who are but I think that they should take this article in the right spirit and stop cribbing.
P.S – loved the artice. Hilarious!
Close the comments already! Seriously!
We’re all humans born out of the womb of a mother and onto the same planet. In life we may choose various paths, but these paths do not reflect(or at least should not) on our intellect but on our interests. (A skilled Motorbike mechanic is much more talented and in my terms coveted by a motorbike company than a graduate from some posh mech college. Y? cos of knowledge and experience.. he has lived his life much longer in that field. but these two chaps wld just be carpet dust to a company in the shippin business eh? make sense? i hope it does) So i dont understand why every1 is slinging — at each other.
The blogger seems to be a loser of a colossal order. The people who got into the IITs through the JEE have gone through and crossed a hurdle/ordeal/litmus-test/acid-test that few other entrance procedures around the world can compare with. And most people don’t have the chops to even try. Many people try, but very few get in.
Unfortunately quite a few deserving people don’t. Part of life. But life doesn’t stop at college. There is a whole life ahead for those other deserving people to prove themselves. There are many more opportunities where I am sure those smart hardworking people will eventually prove themselves.
And then there are those losers like you who most likely have neither the enthu/motivation nor the smarts (only one of those is really required for success in life), end up writing vilifying blogs.
On the other hand, dude/dudette! If this is your way to purge your pent-up psychoses and neuroses, there are better ways to do that than publicly embarassing yourself (just write it on a paper and tear it up).
rotfl….. 🙂
All that glitters is not gold :p
all those who pass out from iits are not that smart or intelligent …. the number is not that small 😉
I dont know what IITs give or dont give to students..all i can say that my younger sister went to IIT kanpur, metallurgy deptt. (i was thrilled when she got admitted), and it turned her into a monster…so full of self ….and it was not just that ….she developed the concept of ‘use even the closest relations to further own interest and dump them once thats done/ even insult them (for they are not as good as you?)’ ….today she works in some KPO ….i detest the person she is… and pray to God that i never come across her again in this or any other life….i will never send my kids to IIT…being good human beings comes first and foremost…..and goodwill of friends and relatives will earn you much more than anything….besides as the person above said 3000 seats…???hell lot…till 100 rank may be u r brilliant, but beyond? false egos…
“It really does not matter who am I or what is my motivation”
post233 improve ur grammar to say the least
I wonder what you talk to the guy you meet who lived right next door when you were 5-10
I assume who lived next door.
And when you were in your teens – u would remember the pretty girls of your street.
That doesn’t make them the best neighbour nor the most pretty girl.
The entire motive behind talking is to connect when u are meeting someone. If you are a girl u would crave all ur life to connect to someone to spend ur life 🙂 . Sadly I am not a girl, but as far as I know males also call it “it was fun being with that person”.
The moments spend at IIT are memorable to almost everyone because that is their first long haul outside their family life – independent and on their own – no one asks what they are doing.
A place they learn how to do things on their own. And when you find them talking about IIT, atleast there would be someone around who is from IIT — but that error everyone makes – haven’t u been in a different country with a fellow countryment and using ur language while using the elevator. I am not sure where you are from – but I bet you u too use ur local language when u see someone from your place.
A lot of “capable “IITians have given back to India- whereas the the others are always under the pressure that so much is expected out of them.
I would say in my stay at IIT I found the most humble people I will ever. It is only in those occassions when they are discussing something that you u see the “KNOW IT ALL” ego – but that is a reflection of how passionate a person is.
Don’t u remember when u argued with such passion – even if you were not right you thought u knew it all – so it is human.
It is a great journey and I guess each college provides that, and I am sure they talk about their festival and events.
I don’t want to typecast you, but I would just bring to your table that you are a smart person who knows that a topic like this will bring traffic and as far as evolution is concerned, I would say you need to meet many from the tribe are more humble than you found anyone.
Can anybody tell me why I fail to leave a single “valuable” comment after reading posts?
Well I am currently studying in IIT Kanpur. I have read to all the post and comments on this thread. I will only say that yes you are right that people who studied from IITs are arrogant and sometimes they just do not consider anyone because of this “I” factor.
But I will also say that it is not right to generalize anything. These are things which vary person to person and case to case basic. It only occured to me that you have come across only those alumni or students of IITs who have this bad aspect in there nature. I think it is good to be proud of your origin and belonging but it is also necessary that you respect others existence and I think that if you look around with a bit more open mind you will find that such people outnumber the bad one.
Well you are right that fees should be hiked. It really doesn’t matter because many banks are there to offer the money and if you analyse the stats you will find that fees has grown by a huge factor in past 5 years and for the forthcoming year they have become exactly the twice of the previous year.
For contribution to the Indian society and India I will say that they might not have contributed that much as is what expected of them but they have certainly contributed more than the common mass. If you have heard Infosys founder Narayanmurthy on 60 minutes you will know how well some of the alumnis have contibuted. The amount of Forex that they pumped in Indian economy is tremendous and secondly they have made their companies come to India which have made the indian employment market a hot pie in past 10 years.
And if you read some statistics they say that earlier 70% of the IIT graduates move to US but now the number have reduced to 30% and is expected to decrease further in the coming years because of the good companies coming to India.
One other way many alumnis have contributed is by creating respect about India in US and other parts of the world. I am currently doing my intership in a university in US and I can say that the way people think about India is great. They simply think that we are good since belong to India.
In my post to your thread it might occur that I am boasting of IITs but frankly I would request you to reconsider you opinion because it doesnot represent the common IIT graduates.
I hope you all take this post in positive spirit 🙂
Phew. This was an epic. And an example of what happens when you take on IITians and rant on them (oh yeah, you do get a pretty popular page, but that is because we IITians don’t just link, we hyperlink 😉 )
Damn. Are you frust of taking on IITians? I didn’t go through all the comments. Sour grapes. I don’t need an answer anyway. I simply don’t care. As someone above said, we have better things to do. Duh.
Hope this was in good spirit. Otherwise, oh man, miserable.
—
Naveen, IIT Kharagpur
All this ranting… sure sign of a ‘jaded’ mind. Go get some sleep. You seem to need it.
Trippy!
Really Trippy! Can’t help laughing my head off at this post.
For all the descendants of Shakespeare who mock at the ability of the IITian to converse in English, it is the same coin that he pays you back with. He’d would, in his right be correct if he terms the non-IITians as dumb!
Bragging about the IIT brand – well this is subjective but I appreciate the thought that its hard-earned and people do show their love for the alma mater. I have come across many Stans’ and MIT grads who do it, it is perfectly normal.
Perhaps, it’d be interesting to note why people prefer branded clothes and branded footwear. For those who may not be able to ‘afford’ it, will always find preposterous reasons to complain!
All in a all, a brilliant article – must commend the author. Its a total paisa-vasool for the hour that I have invested here. But I should also perhaps learn from the author, the art of Extremus Sarcasmus!
This truly is the work of an ‘jaded’ mind. The author is advised to go and have some sleep or rest in general. He/She seems to need it.
quite amusing – bare reality smacked onto your face!! by the way i’m right now at iit rookee ‘college’ for my summer training. 🙂 didn’t find any other female here 😉
I just hope you are not one of those who first toil day and night to get to IITs and failing which, start bashing them with whatever time and energy they have..
I can’t understand one thing guyz…. why can’t we just take this whole blog in humour… and stop arguing about the mistakes and intellectual ability of the writer……??
well… i knew nobody want my piece of advice( now , i don’t want ppl saying “then, why you have posted it?”), but still-
To, all IITians: guys, try not to make fun of the writer, may be u r right in saying that he may be one of d sour grape.. but he has made some good pts ( perhaps few in number), and guys you must appreciate the criticism and if possible, try to correct it in ur own life….
To non-IITians: guys, whatever u have suffered form the two II’s of inflated egos of IITians, don’t make this blogspot as a medium to convey ur frustration… it won’t help
to all u guys.. life is beyond this IIT and non-IIT agenda.. try to make ur mark out there…..[:D]
Awesome man!!!!very true and honest…(although a few people of this tribe will understand or like to understand this)..i belong to a similar tribe a little inferior than IIT tribe and i repent to be a part of it….
Oh damn it, I resisted but failed. There are a lot of issues here. To be very honest, I have seen DU college people being very boastful about their college especially when they are from St. Stephens, or LSR etc.
You talk about what IITians provide to the country and on the issue that they leave India hardly contributing to it. Well, there are a few things I would like to mention.
1) People always search for a better and more comfortable life, and those who can get it, 90 percent of the times, go for it. This may involve, turning from engineering to entrepreneurship, or leaving India for a foreign country. This isn’t limited to people who graduate from IITs. I am sure you have no issues with this point.
2) Even a lot of chinese migrate from China to US. However, I expect this to slowly curb, with China experiencing very good growth in all fields, and the US economy plunging endlessly. I am very sure, that alot of there IITians would also stay back in India if the scenario of opportunities for research improves, if the jobs improve etc.
I am sure, India will progress, and IITians will stay back in time. If you are thinking on the lines of IT boom in India, think again, because all the creative work is still always being done outside the country. Here, we work as merely cheap labour.
3) The research opportunities here are poor. Our government simply doesn’t like to promote science, (which now China does), our government doesn’t like to even create a community of specialists who can teach and do research, and hence slaps quotas on the teachers in the places. There isn’t money in this country for science. If you think this is just unfounded excuse, then you are wrong. This is very true. Try and think of any facility in this country where actually scientists from abroad would feel privileged to get an opportunity to work in. Sorry, there isn’t. Yes, ISRO, however is one such achievement.
4) I have met some people recently, one such person from IITK, and he is probably the closest to winning the Nobel Prize in physics after being nominated 2 years in a row. But, you are right. What a few physicists do, a few mathematicians do, a few engineers do, can never change the country. The corruption, nepotism, the concept of using contacts etc. is everywhere in the country. The overall pride in our countrymen is lacking. That must change first. The grassroots education in the nursery, thats what really matters. But, have we tried to change that? No, our government is merely interested in petty caste politics.
On issues regarding how an examination can judge a person. The answer is no, it cannot. But even the greatest of physicists Lev Landau had his theoretical minimum and only those who passed it got a chance to work with him. And as always, some of these very good men, will fail to qualify the JEE, and some nutters will get in through it.
But well, that’s chance. To be very honest, I have always felt that our country loves mediocrity. Every country of the world has its elite institutions. France has its Ecole Centrales, and their pass outs are as pompous as any. However, an important duty of the government must be to provide a good opportunity to nurture its greatest minds, and provide the best environment for their growth and sustenance. The IITs are already far diluted to be called having the greatest minds of the country in science. We could probably just take out a top 200-300 of them, and make them work somewhere else. But we, as always, would like to nurture mediocrity. And very unfortunately, I see India dwelling in its mediocrity in future and China going way ahead of us.
On issues regarding the arrogance of IITians, you mustn’t mock them. Those who you feel are too proud of being a particular ‘tribe’ as you say, well I believe you should ignore them because I don’t think they have really gained much otherwise in life. As far as I understand, learning stops, when the mind is full of arrogance, and when one believes he has achieved all. Do not generalize. I see this every time in alot of DU college people. So, its for limited to IITians.
Lastly, religion isn’t a tribal, backward thing. Those who talk more about it, know far less about it. Even descartes was a devout christian. Ahh, thats about all I have to say.
And one final thing, I am sorry I forgot the most important thing here. Why would you be against our government being able to provide good education to its people? If there is talent, the talent must be demarcated and nurtured. Hopefully, if India’s economy will improve, and I believe, it may with time, these IITians will start to stay back in India and will be key to helping the development of India. Just because now the knowledge pool is not staying back in India doesn’t mean that we should stop creating the knowledge pool. It will help us in the future. And the government should be more responsible and try to get the best out of each of its citizens. I hope you have nothing against that.
–Highly exaggerated though enjoyable
–“The admiration is deep rooted in the inherent inferiority complex of Indian psyche that equates intelligence with an entrance exam and confines education within the boundary of an institution”
This is indeed true and we gota change this. The first point where u shud start to change this is you. But u seem to be infected by it too much.
–Why don’t people thing that the tribal members are human too. Don’t other tribes love their alma mater. Even the MIT grads show their t-shirts etc. Its simply because it these institute offer to them much more than any institute to any student. And as per the simple give-and-take rule they start loving.
–As for those who talk of development, it is not necessary that if the tribals stay in country they will enforce the development. And the feeling of patriotism is a very personal thing and it is not enforced by law. By this I do not mean that they shud not be patriot but it means that the shud not be blamed. Think how many times do you help a beggar getting a job? How many times have you sacrificed ur reserved seat to an old person in the train? Probably ‘never’ is the answer in case of most of us. We will walk away giving coins to beggar and pretend that we don’t see the old lady standing in the train.
Morality is not only ‘not stealing’ and such stuffs. They are the once prohibited by law. Its much beyond it. So they are not to be blamed unless govt. makes it a law (which I think it shud).
well written trash by a disgruntled decrepit maurauding as a very humorous writer and ridiculing those who see through his/ her perception as a case of ‘sour grapes’.
Well, I am not an IITian but you definetely justify your name– jeded-brains or whatever it was—-!
Well, first and foremost I want to make it absolutely clear why I am replying here. It is because I believe U shuld voice ur protest in a logical and reasonable way when you find something is wrong which is presently d case wid the article in this blog.
There is always some good side of everything and as for your blog I really appreciate the opening collage and your highly sarcastic style of writing. But, what really could have been a humorous read, constructive criticism or for that matter “awakening call 4 all IITians” fails miserably on all counts, as unfortunately, u allow your personal malice and hatred to take precedence over logical reasoning.
The very first point u make is that d IITians are too proud and jump at every other occassion to blurt out the name of their alma mater. Well, I am not denying this as entirely untrue. And if this is from ur personal experience.. srry dude..its just a matter of bad luck and u go horribly wrong in generalising the behavior of some handful of IITians to that wid the entire community at large. And do you realise, when you may be correct in describing at best 10% of the population, u do gross injustice to d rest 90%??
The second point u make is about wearing ur alma mater on your sleeves. Well,what’s wrong if someone feels proud of his institution and decides to wear it on his or her sleeves? Its just a matter of personal taste and likings. I don’t know from which institution u graduated and it is not that I am interested. But whichever ABC college u may have passed out from, you are perfectly free to sport it on your sleeves. And in a democracy we follow, I assure u, nobody gonna stop u from doing that (Now, I cannt let go off an opportunity to pay u back in d same coin of urs: Is it that those “three words” on ppls shirt arnd u brings back some bad memories of failed attempts and shattered dreams?: well, u can ignore this comment)
What really irks me a lot is d way u have used some silly spelling mistake in some banner(God knows who wrote it and when) and an one off instance of a tshirt slogan to support ur argument that IITs are a “hollowed franchise” Have you done a Google search on every silly flaws associated wid d word IIT?(i wuld really like to know what catch words u used). The way u say u r in constant search 4 materials to fill up ur blog …. it may not be entirely unusual after all.:P And do you really believe ur such silly reasoning put your argument on a sound footing?
Then comes ur big pooja offering comment. And what did you really mean by that statement? (Forgive me if I couldnt get your actual meaning, after all I am an IITian and dont claim myself to be a supergenius).Do you want to stay that everyone practising science shuld stop offering poojas and deny his or her culture(which 4 our case is centuries old)? And for that matter, may I remind you respecting your culture is not superstition and I really pity u if you cannot appreciate ur culture.
Now, for most of the IITians IIT is not definitely the end of the world as you suggest. And most of them really appreciate that what matters most, is how you grow after IIT which has been aptly pointed out by Sandipan Deb in his book(ex IITian again). But whats wrong if people from around the globe appreciate that IITs deliver world class education. Surely thats not the result of excessive bragging. Its just because IIT graduates have been succesful in delivereing goods with amazing consistency for years.
And as for the JEE. Yes, I do admit it is not full-proof and every year there are deserving candidates who are left out. BUt my dear friend is anything perfect in this imperfect world ? Everything that is deemed successful or not is merely governed by statistics.(Dont know you have heard of statistical quality control?) If through JEE one can filter out atleast 80% of the deserving candidates from the rest , it should be deemed as a success. And lets face it, jee has been able to do that. For the rest 20% , its just bad luck and that’s the way life is. Sooner you learn to live with it the better. What deserves admiration is the intention of the examiners to filter out some 4000 odd students from may be a lac aspiring candidates purely on the basis of merit and nothing else. And thats too in India, where sadly every other thing is infected by corruption. After all this, if someone feels a bit proud that he could prove his mettle in one of the toughest and most fair examination of the country, I think he is allowed that little luxury.When you say real estates prices go higher when a guy or gal from the locality cracks the JEE , its just that this admiratiion of general public plays a role.( I would suggest a blog of my friend which may be an eye opener for your biased psyche http://rahulmunshi.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/behind-an-iitans-back/) Now dont take a jibe at that. Its a mere suggestion and its upto you to take it in good spirit or not. By the way the way you take a sarcastic jibe at every other comment that goes against you, I just cannt help but wonder whether that not shows your very own “over
inflated ego” that u just can never go wrong.
P.S dont comment on any of the typos, spelling or grammartical mistakes that may have entered knowingly or unknowingly as I type it in a lot of hurry. And dont carry a dictionary or a thesaurus wid me for that matter 😛
@jaded_mind (refer comment 217) –
It is wrong to say that the IITs should encourage girls from the kindergarten stage. In fact, It makes no sense at all. The IITs have a simple, democratic admission system – write the exam and get in. By the very nature of this admission system, you cannot control the demographic of the incoming class without imposing constraints like reservations.
1. If you don’t want to have reservations, the alternative is to scrap your admission system and choose a “holistic” system like that of US universities, which was originally chosen for this very purpose. Refer to http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/10/051010crat_atlarge for information.
2. Anyway, it makes no sense for IITs to encourage anyone from the kindergarten stage. By definition, they only deal with the student after he/she has been admitted into the institute.
@Ground Breaking Evidence (refer comment 244)
It seems inaccurate to claim that the survey was conducted by IITK. It seems to be a course project for the COM 200 (communications skills) course by a bunch of students. I might be nitpicking here (correct me if I’m operating on limited information, or if I’ve missed something), but conducted by IITK implies that the administration had something to do with it. So people who use this to pat IITK on the back should verify the above first.
A poor post from a jealous ‘non-IITian’.
There is no dearth of sore loosers in India.
haha
This is one interesting post.
But I don’t get why the author had to write an entire post and make a collage for just saying “grapes are sour”.
Synonyms like primitive tribe, mine workers, shying away from normal human contact, inflated ego etc. only show how caring the author is about the “less civilized”, “downtrodden” and “socially underprivileged” and “demented” breeds of our nation. May be given a chance and some donation he would start a rehabilitation camp for the IITans.
The author is no doubt one of the most gifted (at least normal) mind that India has got and we should look more towards creating people of his wisdom rather than wasting infrastructure and resources on institution as socially destructive as IIT. Nevertheless his is a jaded mind.
– Just Another IITan
(or Immensely Insufferable Tribal)
…. as our hallowed author may prefer to know me as
hmm..
1. if you are from iit..then nothing of what you said holds true..
2. if you are not..lets hope atleast your kids crack the jee..or their kids atleast.. 🙂
You sound frustrated to me :-p
You really do not know what does this three letter word means to the IITians. you sleep, you breath, you eat, you drink. once count all the things needed for survival….. then come to IIT…. one more will be added to this list..”the feel of being a part of this three letter world”
Dayaaaaaaaa Max is all I can say…
looks like someone couldn’t crack JEE… and if that is ego… u might as well say it is.. cos we are on this side of the wall and u aren’t…. dude try again maybe next time u will get through…. oh i 4got …. u can appear only twice… i bet u 1000 bucks if u could appear once more u would be sitting in ur room mugging instead of ranting….
and something else … if in some parallel universe u do crack the JEE i will make it my personal problem to travel through the 7th dimension and rag u….
i am sorry to say that i dint find ur post funny. not that it means that i cannot laugh at myself or dont appreciate good humour. simply put, its not funny. probably u are considered so in ur school/college/home/neighbourhood. reading this post and replies, i think its more of a whine. cud have been funny had u “observed” the “tribe” and then written something. but u chose to do more of a cheap comedian thing and i hope this wasnt ur first step towards standup comedy, cuz u wudnt do well(compare the +ve replies to the -ve ones and ull see). newyz i dont want to comment on each of ur “observations” (being an IIT’ian myself i have to say that they r figments of someone’s imagination, probably urs). i’d just like to say u have every right to raise questions, but if u had the time to write this, u cud have spent it in a better way.
Soory you didn’t clear JEE man.. I feel for you 😛 😛
Hi jaded mind,
i am back again for my second post.
I am amazed at the amount of response your write-up has generated. I was also wondering if you are amused, thrilled, ashamed, or depressed to see the kind of responses you got for the crap you spinkled in your blog.
I am not an IITian but extremely proud to belong to country that has managed to eke out institutes of such eminence. Entry to such institutes obviously cant be a cake walk or else wont the dunderheads like you clog the place?
You cant be smiling or laughing reading all this!
not when you have so amply revealed that the tribe like yours in India is only meant to pass snide remarks at all those who signify hard work, uprightness and success.
jaded mind is what this nation ails with anyway!
A badly written article, albeit with the right-spirit. I hope you write the next one (on the same topic) calmly and bring up the right points.
abe logo ke pass itna faltoo time bhi hai 😛
LOLz
you generated lot of IIT traffic
~S
Having experienced a lot of arrogant and ignorant (and therefore funny) behavior from some iitians I found this remarkably accurate and funny.
And just in case iitians think it is sour grapes (another really funny thing about them that one can see in the comments – a good eg. of the absurd arrogance and ignorance), I didn’t even do my later schooling in india (and therefore have no connection with the iit’s peculiar exams) and have won scholarships and academic honors over many iitians in my academic life so far (which, thankfully, has been at much better places than iit).
Overall, iit sounds a lot like what Feynman said of certain institutions – the chief activity of the people seems to be wasting their time talking about how great and special their institute, and therefore they, are. India would have probably been better off and not so absurdly backward compared to most of asia (take a loot at Seoul, Shanghai, Taipei, HK or Singapore and compare them to Mumbai or Chennai sometime) if the iitians actually did a bit of real engineering for a bit of change.
one sentence reply to jaded :
“I dont give a damn ! ”
P.S. you have some writing skills but lacks innovation,try that ,its rewarding..
ciao,
Jaded..i read ur post..
this seems to be just a post out of what u say as “sour grapes”
i hv seen guys like u…moanin’ around initially fr not gettin into iits and
then to hide their inferiority complex…shout out stupid things abt iit as u ….
So..bro take a chill pill…and calm down…. …
and stop postin crap like these!!!!
Hilarious.. Oh, well I laughed at the ignorance of the mind which wrote this piece of revolutionary speech. IIT and IITian’s won’t be revered anymore. At least no more in the blogsphere.
First things first – this or anything which is written will not change the way IITians think or how the world looks at them.
IIT and the IITian dream will always captivate the Indian Middle class family mentality. Every one wants their son/daughter to be in IIT. Good Luck to them for IIT may make life easier and luxurious, things like this can never make your life happier. But, since this is the surest way to success, it shall always remain the hallmark of achievement for a student. IITian or not, you just can’t deny it. Live with it. If it brings along with it pride and arrogance, it IS immaturity on the part of the achiever, for real life starts after college. And there is more to life than a stupid degree in a stream which you didn’t even know if you wanted to do. False pride though takes you places, isn’t the best of things.
About IITians departing for better job opportunities – earlier it used to happen. Yes, higher studies were not good India and if you wanted to study, you had to go the US of A. But over more than a Lakh IITians till date, only 30k have migrated. So a large percentage remains in India. And yes, they have managed to become leaders in Industry and elsewhere. They definitely add to the society in the best way they can so ranting about it is stupid. First get the ratio of Industry leaders from IIT and outside, get your facts right and then talk. Bashing maybe a good way to gain attention, it remains crap nonetheless.
Yes, IITians haven’t really been involved in the socio-political system of this country. That, to me, is a failure on part of the IIT’s and not the students. Before JEE, the child is too busy preparing for it. Once a child gets into IIT, studies scores of engg. subjects and gets out. No one takes care to sensitize the child towards the world. He just cannot see the whole picture. Things like this will never be sorted out. One has to live with it.
About humour, yes every one appreciates Good Humour, till it’s not in bad taste.
how stupid of you to say we start off with “IIT” in the first line we speak. Of all the friends we have here, we always discuss those trips in trains etc. where the fellow travelers dig for the details and how reluctantly we give it out. for us, it is no big deal. it isn’t. about the tribe, well it feels nice to belong there. somewhere where every one looks up to you. yes, it feels proud. and this isn’t false pride, for there should be no shame in being what you are. about IITians in their sixties still talking about it so fondly, it is because the place gives them so much – an education to be proud of, friends for life time but most importantly a new way of life. yes, it means a lot to us. it always shall. it shall always be one of the happiest memories – for it shapes you from a boy to a man. and what men – who go out and conqueror the world.
those who have lived it will understand. those who haven’t, yes, there are other things in life. but don’t try to take away from us what rightfully belongs to us. try as you may, you won’t. call it arrogance if you may, its plain and simple old fashioned pride. it shall stay with us till the end of our days.
adios and good luck. 🙂
A king is a king always ! I guess this fellow who wrote has failed more than twice or thrice and is ignited by the new rule that only a year drop student can write the exam. aww sad for u honey 😦 I know you also aspired to be an ‘IITian’.
You see what you want to see….its all jealousy and inferiority thats taking all this crap out of ya mind.
Even if an IITian wants to come down, non IITians like you push us back to the top !
stop cribbing about IITians…ask people not to believe IITians like GOD !
Your post might seem funny to some, not so to others, humor too is subjective afterall…but in all sincerety I have to say that you have got your “facts” wrong.
Cheers anyways
I am an IITian and i agree to the above post. I have seen what people do here. Except few good ones the rest all just do timepass , study just to pass the courses , cursing the profs and system all the time, playing games, sharing stuffs , wasting times. Maybe IIT produces good graduates during 80’s and 90’s whose hard work is being recognized now. To see the quality of current batches we will have to wait another 10 years, currently they are basking in the glory of previous batches.
But i must say, I slogged hard this much because there was IIT-JEE
This would have been a lovely blog had it been a bit more realistic.Although the blogger has got the incidences right but even Bill Gates know the ones mentioned!!! t-shirts,tags,ragging etc etc…c’mon dude, its happens in every college.And as someone mentioned,its not studying into IIT that makes an IITian successful.Its bout their attitude towards life.The hard-work,the never ending zeal and that nothing-is-impossible attitude.Like a fellow mentioned in earlier blogs that the students dont study and juss wanna pass the courses,but did he tried to find out a reason for it ??? I am a 6-pointer and its some of the fallacies of the system that led me into it & its not an excuse in any way.I wanted some other branch n I cudnt get it.Well,I dont njoy it much n so lags my grades.n thats the main reason for the people who fall into this category coz they fail to pleasure by it.But even the hard-core gamers n time-wasters(in his language) do carry their aspirations forward in their fields with as much passion as nyone else.Talking about the development of Brand IIT,I am writing this blog from germany (I am on internship there coz I wanted a foreign experience which I feel is important so no qusn of brain-drain or nything) and I am in a lab with the best diploma engineers of germany and being just undergrad moving onto third yr.I can notice the difference between our education n theirs.n as I told earlier,m a below-average student of IIT.When the prof.who invited me to the project learnt this fact,he couldnt believe himself.It was the first time he was giving this opportunity to a foreign student and now he has intentions of calling more ppl from IITs for his future projects.So thats how the BRAND IIT develops which many of the ppl fails to understand.So although it has been the hard work of older IITians,but to discard the work of the future generations is also not appropriate.So tell whatever anyone may,its harsh on IITians to discount the unlimited sacrfices they have to make for clearing JEE.They actually deserve this thing so they have every right to publicise their brand and glory and should not be taken as bragging al-together.And the people who r telling that IITians are not doing anything for the country should just ask one question to themselve….and this qusn is for all ..straight n fair n try answering as honestly as possible ???…given a chance to anyone to be in IIT , how many people will think only about country n its development ?? the answer would be really alarming but thats the way it is…most of the ppl who come to IITs are from middle class families and so the primary focus has to be a good career..You cant think of making an Eiffel tower without a foundation…Unless you r strong enff to stand by yourself,u cant think of lifting up the country..Nyways IITians keep blogging n revealing what IITs truly are rather than leaving the job on other juntaa to carve a false perception..
Funny.
Perfect observation, I totally agree. One thing, people here don’t seem to understand that they are good at mathematics doesn’t imply they are good in the larger scheme of things.
I would blame that to the celebrity status one reaches in HIS circles at such an age. Consider this, 2/3 years of complete aloofness preparing for IIT, and then no social life for next 4 years talking with people who would write ‘n>2’ instead of ‘more than two’. It gets to you if it hasn’t already.
However, I think it’s human. One of my non-IITan friend bought a pretty neat mobile, and the only thing he could think of talking about for next week was – yeah, his mobile. Once in a while, I like to wear my school t-shirt too. It’s perfectly human.
A stupid article. I know engineers’ who cracked the IIT entrance test and yet earned their degrees from other engineering colleges. They have done exceedingly well in life. Do they now repent for not joining the IIT’S? absolutely not.
Obviously posted by someone who failed to get into IIT and took it really badly. Why spend so much time collecting images and doing so much research into the failings of IITs and IITians when they are actually as lame as you make them out to be? Anyway, such posts are to be pitied rather than censured. Typical mediocre mentality, if you can’t reach the heights others have, fling mud at them. Unfortunately, in this case even if a thousand such posts come up, they’re not going to harm IITs one bit, nor change people’s perception of them. All it may do is to find you people who are as cynical as you are. Whether the cause for this is failure in life, jealousy, or just outright malice, I don’t know. And I don’t even care, really. I could probably pick out a mistake in almost every allegation that you’ve made against us, but unlike you I don’t indulge my time in things which I believe to be worthless..
@mukund
after more than a coupla hundred words carefully aimed to put slime on the author, you say,
“unlike you I don’t indulge my time in things which I believe to be worthless”
~applaud~
“Coupla hundred words” – hardly.
Tripe typed by him – easily 1000+
Time taken to type- negligible(at least for me, dunno about you…)
Time taken to collect all kinds of images, write a lengthy discourse- NOT negligible.
Applause acknowledged..
brain drain need to be stopped guys, at iits they are studying at cost of indian tax payers . they need to do some thing for their own country not only for US companies.
one thing i would like to say that they just cleared one exams and got into iit they need not to be over confident of their capabilities . i would like to remind them that there are people outside iits more capable and much more intelligent !!
Yep you’re so right and the world is so wrong. You’ve tried to penetrate the world with your hate-ridden ideas. Penetration didn’t work, but you’re still pounding away causing the area to become inflamed 🙂 The best and most polite thing to do is to pull-out 😀
@ jaded
interesting stuff.
@ iitans
sure, iit alumni get into top notch american universities, but iitians are NOT THE ONLY ONE to do so. lot of students from europe, china , and countries such as iran and israel also make it to places such as mit,berkeley,etc.
Also, iitians are renowned mostly in computer science/electrical engineering followed by mechanical, chemical and civil engineering.
Lot of iitians are doing renowned work in comp/elec but do not have the same impact in feilds such as mech/chem/civil
when it comes to feilds such as math/physics/chem , the world has not heard as much from iitians as it has heard from chinese and europeans.
IITs are charecterised by JEE. well, jee is as much about coaching as its about intelligence. find me one guy who has passed jee by reading only 11th and 12th std textbooks!
as the replies to the original blog have success in the u.s.a as the bench mark for iitians, then you would be very disheartened to know that.. hardly anyone who has a phd from iit has made it to the faculty of a top notch american university as compared to a phd from say germany or russia.
To your surprise, top notch institutions in america have recruited phds from a country like israel whos population is probably less than that of kanpur.
another example would be the IBM Sponsered.. International programming contest. if you look at the past winners, teams from obscure russian and european universities have beaten the likes of mit , stanford , berkeley ect. china’s shanghai jiontong university has also got the first price on couple of ocasions. as far performance of iits is concerned.. iits are in the same league as bangladesh university of science and tech.
so guys, before you bash JADED.. its time for introspection .
as this forum is getting quite serious.. i guess a joke would lighten up things..
question: why doest a team from IIT win IBM ICPC ?
Answer: Because there are not Brilliant Tutorials to coach them 🙂
SOURCE:OUTLOOK April 30,2007
Tata Steel MD, B. Muthuraman, an IIT Madras graduate, says IITs are now thriving on their “past reputation” and TISCO is “not likely to recruit” IIT graduates any longer
Many IIT professors too find the present crop of students lacking in creativity, and the spirit of innovation and inquiry
They blame the students’ blinkered, robotic approach to their studies on the fact that a large majority are products of coaching factories.
They call for reform of the joint engineering exam (JEE), and of the IIT curriculum as well, to develop the students’ societal awareness, communication skills and knowledge of the humanities.
Dude Jaded_mind,
I think u have suffered some serious mental damage from your interaction with IITians. I can see that your ego is hurt by that.
I am an IITian. I am proud of being one. I love IIT and cherish the time spent there. Only an IITian can relate to the IIT culture.
Reference to IIT while talking to IIT is not meant to undermine anyone or boast of your IIT status. It is just natural. If others feel inferior or hurt or uncomfortable then it is unintentional. There may be few jerks who like to show off but it is true with any brand. You can’t go by exceptions.
About US migration: most rational people would do it it given a chance. Hell lot of non-IIT engineers migrate to US. Check your numbers.
Nothing wrong in Puja and Technology. Pooja is sign of your faith and part of your tradition. It not meant to promote superstition.
Instead of being funny or sarcastic, you sound like you have developed hatred towards IIT grads.
If we are mentally superior then we are not ashamed of it.
So my bros from IIT, seems like you old farts discovered the blog, well can’t blame you guys. The amount of anal sodomisation you might have undergone to get though IIT and after you got through there must have left some deep scars.
So go get a life…. By the way after my 12th when I could not get through ‘IIT’ after spending my 11th and 12th in kota, I decided to go to ‘MIT’ at manipal… And it did not turn out to be a bad choice…
Re: On the question of mental superiority…
Nice observations@JM. Here’s a correction I would love to recommend. Its hard to describe IIT’ians (that’s how I have known them) under the AIR of say 200, give or take a fifty, as being generally academically smart. I went to ug/grad schools at stanford, MIT, Gaytech and CMU, where its hard to find non-IITians at the grad school level, I have taken classes, carried out research, etc (etc implying discourses of non-academic nature too) and they haven’t struck me as being exceptionally gifted.
They are usually no better than the mean smart American undergrad, except maybe, they know how to integrate without using mathematica, (which makes them our lord savior designate?). I am hard pressed as an expat to explain the euphoria, the hedonism, the plain willy nilly that folks in the motherland associate with the IIT. I mean, the Chinese used to scare me, but they turned out to be worse (and I discount all language issues here..), and except for mechanical algebraic manipulation, the IITians are no better.
And here’s a question I ask some of my more open friends from the IITs, if they are all that’s made out to be, then why-tf havent they won a goddamn big four award in the sciences? I mean, come on, its fifty years overdue, if you were to believe the hype…
Or it just maybe that the ‘smart’ IITians dont go to grad school, in the US… ?
As for the rest of the article, fun observations, but nothing different from what the general global college populace engages in. This article isn’t something the IITians should feel riled about.. its quite good fun; and social ineptitude is a common thread for all the tech-inclined people, its a social phenomena not IIT-endemic 🙂
And for someone (yo! ?) who claims the IIT+top10US univ PhDs not making it to the faculty of those schools, check out MIT/Berkeley/… Most of the 1st gen Indian profs there are from IITs. Nobody can ever say that they are not smart. But nobody should say that they are the smartest. They are just averagely bright kids, who lie on both sides of the statistics..
Oh, and just as a byword, the reason I feel I can comment on an IIT/related discussion/debate, is that my girlfriend is an IITian, and she’s quite not the stereotype described above.
And @JM… Maybe someone has pointed it out already. IITian makes more sense than IITan, your example of Italy, though a good one, cannot be justified. It is not an acronym. It’s a whole well defined noun. Just as we cannot say T can represeant Tea, or Tight, or Tart, it is always the following vowel which defines pronounciation (usually, otherwise it is defined through popular definition). We could go on, but I guess you just posted an over enthusiastic response to an over enthusiastic comment. But that’s all okay. To me IITian still stands, and you could choose otherwise. cheers, Sx
I just bumped into this post today purely by accident. (27Nov2008).
I graduated from IITD in 1981 and have seen a heterogenous mix of guys and girls there. Each one was a knowledge-island and a majority of the islands were more fertile. Everyone made and so will the present and future IIT folks make wonders establishing significant personal marks.
Whats wrong if some people are more demonstrating and indulge in self glory?
I feel that the author of the article has been extra harsh.
(One last thing. During April 1981, one girl from Sri Lanka, a guest of another student was criticising so much on IIT students and was so loud that every one was able to hear her in the canteen — every one was smiling at her without getting angry. We have patience also to hear criticism on us.)
WAY to go Doc.
Nice article by the way…………seems a lot like frustration to me………n donno y on earth have I even read it(even though completely accidental)…….apparently this guy had his ass whopped by an IITian(i prefer dis way if u dont mind)……sorry man….but tats exactly wat i see. If u are blaming IIts for watever stuff u are blaming them then I recommend u also see the inside pictureof local collages……which would be a total joke as compared to an IIT……..what other companies think about IITs is their OWN business………. but its sort of sadistic nature of urs ……..Dont tell me u didnt try to get into one of them(I wouldnt believe u anyway)……Its only human to be jealous….but dis much……dude u got some serious issues.
N jesus christ shouvik if dis guy had his ass whopped……..u are on a WHOLE other level………I SERIOUSLY recommend a shrink……
FACT: Did know that IITians are .01% of those who take the JEE……..so, surely I do think are are certainly better(a word of comparision but I m not comparing!!!!)
@ sxx: i NEVER said that iitans who get a phd from a top american university arenot recruited to teach at the best places.
i said PHD students from IIT’s are not recruited in top american universities. while people with a phd from lets say MOSCOW STATE UNIVERSITY or WIEZMANN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE or TECHNION or A TOP FRENCH UNIVERSITY or A TOP GERMAN UNIVERSITY have been consistantly a part of these top notch institutions.
one more thing which i would like to add is that : IITs have contributed very little in india’s scientific realm. iits donot FOCUS on the critical issues of this country. For example in one of the magazines few years back, a iit delhi computer science professor mentioned that there arent intellectually stimulating jobs for iitans in india.. this is far from the truth
one other area in which iits ( and other elite indian institutions ) have failed to do is to instill a sense of national pride in the students. we should really look upto elite french institutions where they brainwash students into french national nationalism.
I would like to elucidate on the french elite institutions here. French elites institutions like iits recruit the best students to join the program. but the similarity ends there. while french institutions go lenghts to instill a sense of pride and nationalism; from what i have seen, IITs are all about going to america or getting some plum job.
So , IITians want a challenging job in INDIA?
I CHALLENGE IITIANS to come up with a car(for 4 people) that does 50 kms/ litre(petrol/diesel) and has the top speed of 175 KMS/ HOUR.
ANY ONE GAME ?
brain drain………..all flock after money.So there is nothing except AIRs got once upon a time.
Hi I am an IIT Bombay grad now doing a management degree at an Ivy league university @ USA. The blog entry was an awesome read. Personally even I think that IITians have been insufferable loudmouths and its becoming ridiculous. Frankly it doesnt matter where one graduates from. Its the drive and motivation that counts, nothing else. Once more – Great blog, congrats!!
I was going through the comments and I was surprised by many bloggers questioning whether you had/ hadnt cleared the entrance exams. Why do people give so much importance over a non issue? Does one need to be in Harvard to make any comment on Harvard? Does it also mean that whoever did not make it to Harvard are worthless crap. This would imply that MIT/ Yale/ Stanford are all crap as the 1st choice of an American is Harvard.
The entire JEE style exam has spelt the ruin of many a brilliant student. Its sad that so many young people have to undergo severe torture in the name of entrance exams. This is clearly a case of mistaken priorities in life. In the US, no one cares where a person did his/ her undergrad. But Indians think that IIT paves the way for riches – which is ridiculously false. 90-95% of IITians have an extremely ordinary life. They would have fared the same whether or not they were at IIT.
Each country has IIT like institutes like Seoul National Univ or Tsinghua. I have seen that there are much more brilliant and passionate people than even toppers of the IIT exams. Even IIT gold medalists pale in comparison to the firepower of the Ivy institutes. And many of them come from very ordinary undergrad colleges in US and Europe.
I think that IIT kids were really brilliant at one stage, but a mind numbing system like the IIT, mind numbing profs and meaningless societal expectations just robs people out of their real passion for life.
A big flaw the blog makes is assuming that most IIT grads move to foreign shores ( meaning USA). This was true till 2002 when 90% of Grads used to go abroad for further studies. Nowadays hardly 5% of the students get scholarships to study in good universities. Even private engineering colleges have higher percentages of students going abroad.
Finally, very few in the US even today have heard of the IIT’s. The only companies who know are those hiring massive armies of coders. Its time people get over the IIT hype and start living a life.
Its not also right blaming IIT grads and IITians completely for all the issues. Its also the society which forces kids to chase a meaningless dream. Add to it the apathy of the government which watches all this drama and does nothing to solve it. There are many IITians who are extremely modest and well behaved. The greatest brats I have seen are those who get into tier 2 colleges and try to stamp their superiority over colleges below them. Indians love playing the caste system in one form or another, in one way or another.
good work ,jaded_mind !
A single exam cant decide who are the most brilliant. Many a deserving student may fail in such exams due to unavoidable circumstances. So the JEE cant be the litmus test for intelligence.However I completely agree with the fact the kota coaching factories are utterly devolving this education system to the point of no return.As far as the egos of IITians are concerned i think yours is a very ,i mean very narrow view.
bhadwe ke aage do bhadwe,
bhadwe ke peechhe do bhadwe,
aage bhadwe,
peechhe bhadwe,
bolo kitne bhadwe?
ek.
tu.
Oh my god this thread blog is still active!!
Initially I thought that the author might have valid reason for complaint given that some IITians are insufferably egoistic…
After reading halfway through the post I changed my opinion, this post was most certainly a long list of complaints about certain grapes being a bit too sour.
By the time I started reading the comments…
Well mindless drivel is the only thing that comes to mind.
I guess this is what a post by a troll is like.
If pride is such a ‘derisive’ quality, why is everyone proud to be an IITian, or a so called socially active ‘normal’ person..or better yet an Indian? It’s funny how the same word and concept is acceptable/taboo in different contexts. The non-IITians look down upon IITians for being arrogant, socially awkward and what not (while themselves displaying arrogance over being socially more active!) No one owes anything to anyone out there. So an IITian has as much right to slander others as this author does to IITians. I’d rather have people use forums to discuss how to improve our neanderthal curriculum rather than incite unnecessary aggravation.
p.s. If someone wants to put up a license plate /any sign displaying his IIT-X alma mater, then it’s his personal choice even if it may seem weird to others, no matter if he chooses it to adorn his private jet or a damn bullock cart !
anyone who wrote this is an idiot.
However there are idiots in IIt’S too. The artificial fame the IIT’S are as everyone knows India should be the world leader in Technology. India is not she still buys technology from other countries. Therefore, Why bother about IIT?
It’s good that non-IITians can claim some popularity by IIT bashing 🙂 .. and also some self-gratification.. see IIT can work so many wonders for you.. had you been to one, you could have better appreciated the fact… better late than never 🙂
btw… did I tell you I am an IITian … 😛 😛 now an IIMite too… write a blog on them also :P..
IITian or not…you can always be a great engineer if you have the will to work hard and smart…getting into an IIT is a lot about luck as well…it might be just a few marks in the exam which can stop you from clearing jee…so does that mean you also have to stop…the answer is no…there are so many other engineering colleges equally good as the IITs, for e.g. BITS-Pilani(a fantastic institution that doesn’t support the evil of reservation to say the least or even colleges like Manipal Institute of Technology or even VIT or IIST )and if you can go abroad…you have much better options than IITs…so its always the will to improve thats important and really not which college are you from…???
atrocious attempt dude…..use ego, one, i, unity or anything I, all three letters of IIT is for IITians 😛
Labors? You mean labor? Or did you mean laborers? The spelling of “through” was most likely a typo but this is clearly not! Did someone miss their primary spelling class?
i am an iitian myself….all i can say is u hav exaggerated way 2 much….contrived attempt at humor.
Incredible. I have no idea what these guys keep cribbing about. I’m an IITian and I pay taxes equal to probably 20 of you put together–and I pay these in India to the Indian government. About 75% of my class is in India and collectively I presume they pay taxes equivalent to what your entire college pays. Geez!
About all your ranting. I really pity you. You probably have not come across graduates from the Ivy League or MIT or Stanford. I’m from Cornell–which is an Ivy League “university” btw–and am proud of both my alma-maters.
Your post frankly looks like that of a loser. For people who want to win just do it, and don’t really sit and cry.
Hey I am an IITian …… and I am happy to say so. If you don’t like that then ignore me. If you are really matured and intelligent enough you would just ignore us. Did an IITian ever force you to listen to him. I never did that to any.
If you don’t like IITians please ignore them. But if you are affected by their way of speaking with you and write some post like this, that clearly means you are extremely childish and you are seriously intimidated by us.
That’s your problem then. Why do you criticize us for your misunderstanding.
Hope you’ll understand. Its very easy to ignore if you can and if you really are worthy enough not to get intimidated by an IITian.
And we never said that IITians are the only intelligent people. We said we are intelligent. Both statements are a lot different. You misinterpreted it the same way as you are doing with whatever we have said.
We didn’t say we are the only ones going to top universities. We agree other people’s intelligence. Its those who have lot of inferiority complex say that.
Please don’t look negatively on us.
@ jaded_mind:
We are like that only. Take it or leave it.
I see a lot of generalizing and stereotyping in this post.
Wat a lame post, m i supposed to laugh
Life sucks as an IITian..no chicks, no easy grades, no easy degrees, no easy vivae..all a f***ing pain. Then the jaded idiots expect you to chuck it all for a country which promotes quota based junkies who are good for nothing and good for none. Good post jaded..
oh my god ..what do u think of yourself… think before u talk sarcastically about someone ….u talk as if u met all the iitians ..why do u even classify people on the basis of being an iitian or not..i read just two paragraphs and i am totally disgusted ..u think by writing this kind of post u are proving that u are also as intelligent as we are ..but u are not…dont even try to think that this post will will compensate for ur lack of brains…
I am from IIT and I love this post. 😀
Such insightful , well-composed, literary, social and emotional post…
@ jaded mind: did you crack jee? i bet you would have had a good chance if you studied hard… 😛
Recommending this post as a must read to all iitians… !
c’mon guys…
some guy writes something n everyone just has to have a say or two..
don’t take it to heart… its his/her perspective…
but yeah… does sound like a guy in 3rd year in a godforsaken engg college who points out a spelling mistake in a banner but then defends himself by saying that typos are common…
comment++ ;
🙂
I thought the ragging rituals at IIT were meant to wield out “effeminate males”.
1, its crap
2, its not funny
3, I dont really find humor in it
4, some iitian has really pissed you off in the past
Your heart seems to have been in the right place, the article was funny.
But maybe (maybe) for a piece (however ‘tripe’ / ‘rant-ish’ / whatever else it’s been called)
The funny; the poor taste (if at all)
And too many times in this article, I was left feeling a little unsure about that.
(but wait – you didn’t go to an IIT, so you probably didn’t understand that)
Mr. Jaded.
I am an IIT-an and right now, am very ashamed of myself. I have never met anyone so disgustingly annoying as the xyz you described in your post. I did not know ‘we’ are that important and unignorable. I never thought ‘we’ could bother people so much. I could have never imagined that ‘our’ stories are so deeply analyzed and criticized. I just thought all other ‘IIT-ans’ were like me. ‘We’ all just smoked and drank through ‘our’ shitty degrees and went on to ‘our’ shitty jobs. ‘We’ will take care to keep ‘our’ stories under control.
ps: your post was funny, whining or not.
pps(you said it): I shall start adressing myself as ‘we’. I am really getting a hang of all this footage.
I loved it. Gave me an instant kick. This blog is a result of extreme inferiority complex which might have stemmed from,
a) the author’s numerous hopeless attempts to get into IIT,
b) or from his first day at job when he would have seen an IITian start couple of notches higher than him and after a few years being his boss.
Life is not so sad dude, move on, and hope that the next IITian you meet will not F you in the A. Good luck.
kaun ho bhaiya, IIT mein nahi hua kya aapka ? koi baat nahi..waise bhi wahan ke hagge mein paani nahi aati sahi se.
aur haan ye “sarcasm” namak cheez jiska aapne khub istmal kiya hai, kya aapne khud invent kiya ? aisa ho to bahut badiya..aap jaise medhavi logon ka hi IIT mein hona chaiye.
what the fuss is all about? I read the article just because there were too many comments on this one. It was funny actually, some things are actually quite right, some are exaggerated but some are quite dumb. But what the heck, i liked this post. At least i had a few laughs. Even forwarding it to few of my friends.
@Jaded
you live in your own little world don’t you?
You’re jealous and surely some arrogant IITian has pissed you off.
Oh and yeah about spelling mistakes, check this out!
hahaha…. I can see ur frustration dude… I’m an IITian n m really proud of that cz I earned that tag thru my hard work… n I’m completely sure I’m gonna do better than all generations of your family put together….u may call it my ego but thats also d truth… u looooserr …..n btw which cllge are u frm.. does any1 here have heard its name….. everrrr…… hahaha
Crap_max
1. Very few IITians actually do the shit you claim they do like proclaim all over the goddamned place that they’re from IIT and all. Most IITians I know make it a point to conceal it in face because they feel really awkward when others over react on learning that someone’s from IIT. There are those, of course, who do like to boast and show off but they’re minority and pretty much disliked by all, even fellow IITians.
2. Loads of IITians are real fun to talk to and hang out with, the kind you refer to does exist but again it’s very few of them. Why do you generalize?
3.Ragging has been eradicated absolutely. If anyone’s telling you that he was ragged he must be joking or pulling your leg. The latter is very probable given how easily you believe things and jump to shitty conclusions.
4.IIT moments replacing family pics is one of the lamest things I’ve heard about IITians, as though you’ve really visited hundreds of IITians’ houses and noticed this. Really lame. And again, if an IItian chooses to photograph IIT moments that have gone by forever rather than photographs of family members whom he meets everyday and will continue to do so, why should he be criticized? I have pictures of the Beatles, the Rolling Stones and the Who in my room but no pictures of family? Are you suggesting that I care more for these bands than for my family and friends?
5. Most IITians dont bother about AIR’s after the first week of IIT. Even after that the only AIR talk that goes on, happens extremely rarely and is limited to harmless stuff like ‘X is in mensa you know, its shocking how his AIR was so fucked up….bad luck I guess’ and totally non-egoistic stuff like that…..you dont really come across people saying ‘Kneel before me because my AIR was better than yours!’. Be honest and tell me how many people have you encountered who’ve told you what their AIR was thirty years before?
6.Most people graduating from IIT have spent four or five years living in the place with their friends and it is natural that they wouldn’t want to put it all behind and move on, forgetting about the past. Why the fuck should a pass out be criticized so much for calling himself an IITian instead of an ex-IITian. And for that matter, I haven’t come across a single passout claiming to be an IITian, nor have I ever heard the phrase ‘Once an IITian, always an IITian’ but I don’t see what’s wrong with that.
7. And who ever told you that IITian is defined as ‘a person who is still in the process of academic activity in order to graduate’??? Just because someone is always an IITian doesnt mean he doesnt graduate. Lame shit dude, if for instance someone leaves India to work elsewhere and becomes a citizen of another country it doesn’t mean he ceases to be an Indian. At least if I meet an NRI in Germany, I wont call him German for sure! Same way an IITian will remain an IITian after graduating. And why the fuck did you have to dedicate an entire paragraph to this?
8.Have you even met an IITian? How many?
9. IIT is an institute of Technology, if someone is there from an unknown little town where English schools were non existant, its unfair to ridicule his spellings. The guy is there because he knows his physics, chemistry and mathematics. There aint an english paper, why should there be? There’s TOEFL for those who care. And there are loads of explanations to the spelling mistake on that banner, tonnes of them, it’s impossible that someone thinks ‘through’ is spelled with a ‘v’!
And for you information, a few years back someone, Bush or some senator or someone else made a statement which amounted to ‘US soldiers in Iraq are mostly high school drop outs’. Some US soldiers in Iraq were then photographed with a huge banner saying ‘Plaes get us owt off hear’ or again, something of that order, basically a message with shitloads of spelling mistakes. Its called sarcasm.
10. The IIT campus includes houses for the profs, the canteen workers,the peons etc etc. The wife of a prof. need not be from IIT and so I don’t see why she won’t do a Pooja and why she won’t tend to throw offerings in the lake and why such a sign should not be put. In India putting Pooja offerings in a lake or pond or the sea is a common practise and many people from the neighbouring buildings outside the IIT campus come in and dump stuff like that in the lake. Yes, anyone is allowed to enter the campus.
11. Being able to solve answers in a question paper and having the logic to reason out that God doesn’t exist and prayers are dumb are not the same thing and they are not complementary. Basically, one can be brilliant in acads and still have some irrational beliefs.
12. I’m assuming that the mine workers during the British rule was a lame poetic device of your own limited imagination’s attempt to sound funny. If you were serious then do check out the dates of Raj and the first IIT.
All statements worthy of negation have been dealt with. I would LOVE to have a proper debate with you, point wise, I like to debate.
So basically your article gives me the impression that you haven’t met too many IITians, maybe not a single one. And if you have, then you have some irrational phobia/hatred for them and so you thought it would be a good idea to defame them, to magnify already circulating myths. One of the scenarios that comes to my mind is this: That you have a sibling or a cousin who got into IIT and you didn’t despite several attempts and now your whole family thinks you’re a bloody loser and showers your sibling/cousin with love, affection and respect. Maybe the whole world thinks of you as a loser when compared to the sibling/cousin and hence the resentment? We both know in fact, I’m sure you do, that there is no logical ground for the conclusions you have drawn in your article and thus I beseech you to email me your reasons for this deed. ringo.satyarr@gmail.com
thanks,
satya
PS: I agree with you about the attitude of Indians towards IIT and IITians.
Firstly I must tell you that im a very very interactive person and that i have the habit of “psyco-socio-analysing” people of different community whom I meet.
And what I have observed during my course at xyz college is that IITian are really really humble(believe me,yes they are)…..they are humble when you compare them to these so called “next-to-IITs” instis like Pilani,DCE etc……man these “next-to-iits” guys are so damn boastful too…..they cant stop bragging about there colleges and how they score above every iitian born…and how there college has changed the world….and how they are smarter than us(oops!! :P)…..
Secondly there had been a lot of discussion about only on of the “two-kinds -of people” categorized by jaded:lets talk about non-IITians:-
And man they are so pathetic…especially guys/gals from these “big-cities” like delhi……they are never tired highlighting the fact that they are 10000x cooler than IITians just coz they(the big city guys) dont “study”,smoke and drink and fool around with chicks….. and that IITians are an inferior breed coz they “study”…and that they are modern….and “geeks@iit” are assholes….everyone feels like slapping them for such false air…..in fact they are ignorant assholes….didnt do even a bit for the country(half of them even dont know abt there alumni who did great…or even the full form of DRDO and ISRO :P)
I saw some similar posts on rediff about the contribution of IITians to the country….and i have only one thing to say….god you people are so ignorant….just go and see all those big companies in India…you will definitely find an IITian or two there at the helm…..every second or so new “worth noticing” startup is by IITians…..even the IT revolution has seen a big role of IITians in it
So in the end i have one thing to say….
the post was awesome and hillarious(i like you sense of humour jaded,and i doubt that you are also from one of the IITs)….but plz dont question our contribution to the country
Son,
I see, you have overexposed iitians.. oops you shouldn’t have done that..
let them live in their world and you live in yours..
The problem with you is jealousy.. its simple….
” Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius”
Well c’mmon accept it.. be a man…
well u seem to have researched too much on iitians.. y don’t you try to get it published.. iitians are really hot stuff in the market( Five point someone and your this immensely popular blog proves it.. :P). You seem to be actually craving for attention.. which they easily get
So, it seems that you have mentioned the traits of your college inmates.. because i have met more iitians than you would ever know in your life.. and they seem to be distant relatives of the ones described by you….
well an honest question… the following situations can lead to this post :
1. you were fired from office because of an IITian
2. Your boss is an IITian
3. your girlfriend dumped you for an IITian
Besides the attention apparently *craved* by IIT-ians – too much coverage/attention/discussion is given to them – why are they treated as mini celebrities? Who put them on the pedestal? Who attaches the importance to the entrance? Really, when someone clears JEE they didn’t exactly set out to conquer the world by doing so – but everyone around them sure makes them think they did. There are bloated heads everywhere, and in much abundance in IIT too.
I only wish you wrote it better, got your facts straighter (IITs were meant to provide technologists primarily, not poets or scientists – though they are now trying to expand their domain – and we should wish them success). It reads like poison, or maybe I just have a sweet tooth.
-Just Another Brick in the Wall
Poor chap, he needs help not brickbats. Let him be.
I am half way through your post (with no intentions of wasting my time with the other half) but remember 2 things –
1)Whatever u say about the introductions, that is done by a tiny population of the college. if however that was done by EVERYONE, it wouldn’t have been wrong – if u have it, then so be it. Too bad u didn’t try or could not get in.
2) If people talk about tv serials, eating places, hostels from their IITs, that is their identity and brings back awesome memories. Too bad u don’t have any in your life and go this way, u shall have none!
My guess is you probably met a loser (like urself) from some IIT, somewhere… hence all this crap. If however, you were doing this to get ppl on ur blog, hats off!! are u an IITian?
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sorry mate , u couldn’t make it to IIT.That appears to be the only reason for your lashing here!!
Clearly, a solid command of the English language isn’t part of IIT admissions criteria. Considering the bland snobbery displayed in the 300 odd comments above, that’s bloody hilarious. As far as I’m concerned, the institution breeds a more insufferable mutation of the Indian male – politically ignorant and conservative, sexually repressed, gender regressive, intellectually limited, obsessed with hierarchy, status and unhealthy competition but at IIT you get to be all that and more of a giant douchebag with a sticker and t-shirt for you to advertise it.
They then go on to become CEO’s who think that they’re qualified to talk about everything they’re unschooled in with arrogance and authority… only to reproduce another generation of socially backward citizens.
As an Indian woman that had the misfortune to check out the campus in Delhi – IIT makes geeks look bad.
Sadly, very aptly true … right from the first year I saw my seniors and peers gloating of being in IIT … I never understood what gave them such high notions of themselves just after clearing one entrance exam … well did I mention I am from IIT 🙂
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This is a nice blog, the info are great.
Good job..keep doing.
@ Jaded Mind: Are ghonchu, IITians jo kuch bhi karein, usse teri kyon jal rahi hai?
that’s a pathetic article. of course we are proud of our achievements. seems u have tried but never made in this system. there are ppl who have taken pledge to change india and this system, they go for IAS/IES instead of those high paying jobs.. the only reason – patriotism. no other college engg. college student will go and teach primary school students (in an effort to teach neighboring community) – here students do and they do daily.
and I am from IIT.
-Ankit
I think you are plain jealous as you might have tried the JEEs and never got through and trying to vent out your frustration now, using this dung article. Be informed dude…the world knows that Indian education system as some steam due to IIT. No other institution in the whole world has been given a 60 minute coverage in the 60 minute popular series broadcasted in the US. Narayan moorty’s sun went to stanford for pursuing his bachelors and when one professor there asked him why do he have to join stanford when you have IIT in india itself, he said…i tried twice i couldnt get the admission. Stanford is ranked 2 in the world for academic excellence.
I am not an IIT’ian but have respect for those guys….if you read the book “The IITians” by sandeepan das you will know that none of the students there consider themselves as pursuing Bachelor of Technology…but they would rather prefer to think that they are pursing bachelor of learning. Thats why even a IIT electrical engg student can slog his ass like no one else could and head Mckinsey.
So dude…..shame on you of thinking to fill this espace with your crap. Get a LIFE!
sumit